How can conservatives effect change?

[AndrewJTalon]

Jesus H Christ you are a retarded fucking moron.

You brought up "taking up arms".

Your apparently so super dense you couldn't read my implication. That being, what your saying might come to pass is fucking hard. It fucking costs a lot. Both in resources, time, and money, and also in blood and souls.

You want "taking up arms", fine, look up the Russian Civil War or Yugoslavia. Read about what the price was, and get back to me.

I doubt you have the stomach to do or resolve to actually do a tenth of what was done in those conflicts. You certainly don't have the conviction, nor the ruthlessness, you don't even have the heart.

My post was well reasoned and stated simply "A civil conflict may be coming and may be the only way to preserve our freedoms, I do not wish this to happen, I wouldn't be on the front lines, maybe this link will help us think of ways to handle the situation if and/or when it happens." Your response is "Don't even bother trying to oppose things, just give up."

Who is the moron here?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Guys, let's stop this before the MODs come in

 

[AndrewJTalon]

Guys, let's stop this before the MODs come in

Very well. I do believe that encouraging other outlets for young people that aren't censored by Big Tech is crucial to saving the younger generation from this racist bullshit. Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 88]

My post was well reasoned and stated simply "I do not wish this to happen, I wouldn't be on the front lines, maybe this link will help us think of ways to handle the situation if and/or when it happens." Your response is "Don't even bother trying to oppose things, just give up."

You are really making me lose my patience, just a day before Christmas.

I said "count the cost".

Not "give up".

If you know in yourself you can do what would be required of you, and only you can know that-then I am mistaken.

An "exhortation to arms" is less than worthless unless the people taking up arms are willing to do whatever and all is necessary to prevail. To see the struggle through to the end.

That isn't getting into the requirements I discussed, organization, coordination, preventing pre emptive break ups, and so on.

I don't think you have the will or resolve to actually perform the bolded above.

If you do, if we can find that resolve, then my point is obsolete.

*Note-I don't find this desirable nor do I advocate for armed insurrection. I'm asking AJ to count the cost, before taking up his cross.

 

[AndrewJTalon]

You are really making me lose my patience, just a day before Christmas.

I said "count the cost".

Not "give up".

If you know in yourself you can do what would be required of you, and only you can know that-then I am mistaken.

An "exhortation to arms" is less than worthless unless the people taking up arms are willing to do whatever and all is necessary to prevail. To see the struggle through to the end.

That isn't getting into the requirements I discussed, organization, coordination, preventing pre emptive break ups, and so on.

I don't think you have the will or resolve to actually perform the bolded above.

If you do, if we can find that resolve, then my point is obsolete.

Let's move on, shall we?

 

[ShieldWife]

Anyway, Invictus being a defeatist pussy aside, this anti-white education seems more like it will backfire horribly on Leftists and us too, given most of them are white themselves. Thoughts?

The anti-white stuff won’t backfire on leftism as a whole, it’s actually wildly successful. Identity politics works for the left, especially as they push policies which make whites a minority.

Who it will backfire on are the numerous white SJWs out there who are going to be more likely to be victims of racial violence, suffers from discriminatory policies, and generally suffer the effects of far left social and economic policies. Their idiocy and sickening degeneracy will bite them on the butts big time, even as the ideology they foolishly advocate becomes increasingly powerful.

Jesus H Christ you are a retarded fucking moron.

You brought up "taking up arms".

Your apparently so super dense you couldn't read my implication. That being, for what your saying coming to pass is fucking hard. It fucking costs a lot. Both in resources, time, and money, and also in blood and souls. A cost you are definitely unwilling to pay.

You want "taking up arms", fine, look up the Russian Civil War or Yugoslavia. Read about what the price was, and get back to me.

I doubt you have the stomach to do or resolve to actually do a tenth of what was done in those conflicts. You certainly don't have the conviction, nor the ruthlessness, you don't even have the heart.

As Jefferson said, the tree of liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots. When is the last time our tree as been watered? Maybe that kind of thinking is too radical for us all. But if society has any hope people must act and spending five minutes coloring in bubbles once every two years is woefully inadequate action.

Anyway, Invictus being a defeatist pussy aside,

Jesus H Christ you are a retarded fucking moron.

Hey guys, let’s try to be nice to each other. We are both on the same team here. Save that anger for the lefties.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I'll likely be infracted regardless, but obliged.

Anyway-this is simply a form of racial redistribution. Similar to what occurred in SA and Zimbabwe.

That is, a form of racial conflict through economic and political program.

As Jefferson said, the tree of liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots. When is the last time our tree as been watered? Maybe that kind of thinking is too radical for us all. But if society has any hope people must act and spending five minutes coloring in bubbles once every two years is woefully inadequate action.

The amount of blood to be shed, and who shall shed it needs to actually be contemplated though. I don't think anyone that trumpets the spirit of '76 has really contemplated what civil war, especially ideological civil war really means.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I'll likely be infracted regardless, but obliged.

Anyway-this is simply a form of racial redistribution. Similar to what occurred in SA and Zimbabwe.

That is, a form of racial conflict through economic and political program.

This will all ironically further divide people, because if anything, they'll look for more "atonement" from the guys they claim to be oppressed by

Will end up showing a sort of cultural divide as well

I don't think Black Farmhands get along very well with their "new neighbours" who just so happen to share their skin colour and who suddenly own the place instead of them and aren't so interested in listening on how they themselves do the work

 

[ShieldWife]

Good, self moderation is the best kind. All friends now I hope.

The amount of blood to be shed, and who shall shed it needs to actually be contemplated though. I don't think anyone that trumpets the spirit of '76 has really contemplated what civil war, especially ideological civil war really means.

I agree and I actually don’t advocate civil war. I also think that voting is almost a waste of time at this point. I have this entire rant prepared, maybe for a future video, about what kind of non-voting non-violent actions that I think conservatives need to do to stand a chance at saving our civilization. Basically, it involves living a virtuous life, rejecting the leftist dominated culture.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I would advise everyone who is enthusiastic about the idea of civil war to research Syria, Yugoslavia, Spain, and Russia.

The dirty wars in Latin America, the African World War, and the war in the Donbass would also make good material.

At a certain point such a conflagration may take place, and we shall see who has the resolve and who does not.

That said, I agree with @ShieldWife in that the system is unreformable, the culture is lost, and the country we so loved is not in our hands.

What one chooses to do with this is entirely for them to decide.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

What one chooses to do with this is entirely for them to decide.

Being an Individual who actually maybe truly cares about his/her family, community and/or country instead of simply part of a Collective claiming to care is harder than it looks

 

[ShieldWife]

I would advise everyone who is enthusiastic about the idea of civil war to research Syria, Yugoslavia, Spain, and Russia.

The dirty wars in Latin America, the African World War, and the war in the Donbass would also make good material.

At a certain point such a conflagration may take place, and we shall see who has the resolve and who does not.

That said, I agree with @ShieldWife in that the system is unreformable, the culture is lost, and the country we so loved is not in our hands.

What one chooses to do with this is entirely for them to decide.

Are you familiar with Rod Dreher and the Benedict Option? It’s basically an idea of retreating from mainstream society into smaller communities to preserve Christianity in a post-Christian age. I have a slightly different perspective on it than you or he might, but I actually think that the basic premise is a good one and that the political battle for the West has been lost - what remains is to weather the storm that is to come.

 

[Cherico]

Are you familiar with Rod Dreher and the Benedict Option? It’s basically an idea of retreating from mainstream society into smaller communities to preserve Christianity in a post-Christian age. I have a slightly different perspective on it than you or he might, but I actually think that the basic premise is a good one and that the political battle for the West has been lost - what remains is to weather the storm that is to come.

I don't think we are entering a post christian age.

We are going through a political realinment, fight it as they might the damage is done the republican party is now the populist coalition.

That means its going to be a coalition of a lot of deparet people against an increasingly out of touch and tryanical urban party. Now look at the people who would realistically be in such a coalition.

Whites, Latinos, African americans, the proscription list are already here, the bullshit and fuckery is here. In such an environment you want to form a paralee society to resist this kind of stuff, you want an exensive support network.

Now look at christian america they already have that paralee society, complete with business's, their own media companies and a host of other thing already built up. This is a religion that has a noted and successful record of going underground and surviving pretty much every effort to kill it.

Both the soviet union, and Chinese communist party tried both of them failed.

Now what do said populist coalition have in common....


Your faith your beliefs their not going away sheild maiden their about to get a whole lot more powerful.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Yes, paralel society is probably the best road to take. It's hard road to take, the society will use everything at their disposal to break you, but then they will do the same if you stay part of the society anyway. What you need though is to organise from the ground up and be able to convince the people to be willing to abandon the comforts they take for granted now. Comforts are the biggest hurdle to self-authonomy, people are willing to make compromises with terrible long-term consequences for some short-term comforts.
In USA you have two ways of forming paralel society, one are rural communities in control of their counties, paying lip service to the beast but doing it their own way or insular/secretive urban societies.

 

[ShieldWife]

I don't think we are entering a post christian age.

We are going through a political realinment, fight it as they might the damage is done the republican party is now the populist coalition.

That means its going to be a coalition of a lot of deparet people against an increasingly out of touch and tryanical urban party. Now look at the people who would realistically be in such a coalition.

Whites, Latinos, African americans, the proscription list are already here, the bullshit and fuckery is here. In such an environment you want to form a paralee society to resist this kind of stuff, you want an exensive support network.

Now look at christian america they already have that paralee society, complete with business's, their own media companies and a host of other thing already built up. This is a religion that has a noted and successful record of going underground and surviving pretty much every effort to kill it.

Both the soviet union, and Chinese communist party tried both of them failed.

Now what do said populist coalition have in common....


Your faith your beliefs their not going away sheild maiden their about to get a whole lot more powerful.

Well, I’m not even a Christian, but I can see where Dreher is coming from, I don’t think that we are entering into a post-Christian age as much as a post-civilization age. Dreher, and probably most of the people who have shared concerns, are devoutly Christian and see those Christian values as being tied to those of civilization itself, which I wouldn’t quite say is 100% correct but seems to be so when contrasted with leftist post-modern values.

Those aspects of civilization which some would identify as being Christian would be family, community, monogamy, living for more than oneself, investing in the future, and so on. The left wing agenda to destroy families, to destroy monogamy and the relationships between men and women, to destroy a sense of community, to encourage division and entitlement, this list could go on forever... anyway, those changes would fundamentally undermine civilization which at its essence is the ability of groups of humans to get into and invest in their community and their future together. If people don’t care about the future and don’t care about the community, then they’re barbarians and that is the end result of where we are headed and what Dreher would see as a post-Christian society. Post Christian, though numerous other ideologies have and have had functional civilization in the way that America is now losing.

I think that the parallel society is a great idea, maybe the only idea can can preserve the uniqueness of Western civilization. The conservative Christian community is, as you note, already working on it and I would like to see others work towards those ends as well.

 

[ATP]

Well, I’m not even a Christian, but I can see where Dreher is coming from, I don’t think that we are entering into a post-Christian age as much as a post-civilization age. Dreher, and probably most of the people who have shared concerns, are devoutly Christian and see those Christian values as being tied to those of civilization itself, which I wouldn’t quite say is 100% correct but seems to be so when contrasted with leftist post-modern values.

Those aspects of civilization which some would identify as being Christian would be family, community, monogamy, living for more than oneself, investing in the future, and so on. The left wing agenda to destroy families, to destroy monogamy and the relationships between men and women, to destroy a sense of community, to encourage division and entitlement, this list could go on forever... anyway, those changes would fundamentally undermine civilization which at its essence is the ability of groups of humans to get into and invest in their community and their future together. If people don’t care about the future and don’t care about the community, then they’re barbarians and that is the end result of where we are headed and what Dreher would see as a post-Christian society. Post Christian, though numerous other ideologies have and have had functional civilization in the way that America is now losing.

I think that the parallel society is a great idea, maybe the only idea can can preserve the uniqueness of Western civilization. The conservative Christian community is, as you note, already working on it and I would like to see others work towards those ends as well.

Do not offend barbarian.They could lacking in thinking about future,but they would die for their communities.

 

[Terthna]

I don't think we are entering a post christian age.

We are going through a political realinment, fight it as they might the damage is done the republican party is now the populist coalition.

That means its going to be a coalition of a lot of deparet people against an increasingly out of touch and tryanical urban party. Now look at the people who would realistically be in such a coalition.

Whites, Latinos, African americans, the proscription list are already here, the bullshit and fuckery is here. In such an environment you want to form a paralee society to resist this kind of stuff, you want an exensive support network.

Now look at christian america they already have that paralee society, complete with business's, their own media companies and a host of other thing already built up. This is a religion that has a noted and successful record of going underground and surviving pretty much every effort to kill it.

Both the soviet union, and Chinese communist party tried both of them failed.

Now what do said populist coalition have in common....


Your faith your beliefs their not going away sheild maiden their about to get a whole lot more powerful.

I'm sorry, but I thoroughly disagree; the Republican party is an establishment party, just like the Democrats. The degree to which they've embraced populism has been woefully exaggerated, mostly due to the fact that they've been pretending to do so in order to trick Trump supporters into supporting the Republican party as a whole. Their expectation is that people like me will vote for Republican candidates who refuse to stand up to the Democrats in any meaningful way, and are little more than controlled opposition.

That's not going to happen though; because us desperate people? Are already abandoning them wholesale, and won't be coming back. There's some talk of forming a new party around Trump; but personally? I expect this will all inevitably escalate into civil war. In my mind, our government is illegitimate, and has been for a very long time; Trump was an outlier. One that those who have the power won't allow again in our lifetimes.

 

[Deleted member 88]

The Republican electorate has been fooled before.

Ultimately, if the people lack the will to do what must be done, then they deserve Zimbabwe.

 

[Julio92]

In Poland we had commie economy,and all were poor.But in 1989 commies wanted to be rich after stealing state goods,so they made free economy - everybody could become merchant with anything except weapon.
That was for commies,but common people start buing and selling,and become richer.ex-Commies from 1995 then started regulate more and more...and now only rich could start any business.Which mostly are foreigner or ex-commies.
But when nobody regulated it,ordinary citizen could be rich thanks to hard work.

Everyone I know from ex-commie bloc tells me the 90's was a decade of rapine and looting by western capitalists, where physicists became prostitutes and bus drivers, and the value of the goods they produced collapsed, cars, lenses, machine tools, shoes, you name it.

 

[ATP]

Everyone I know from ex-commie bloc tells me the 90's was a decade of rapine and looting by western capitalists, where physicists became prostitutes and bus drivers, and the value of the goods they produced collapsed, cars, lenses, machine tools, shoes, you name it.

Not by western capitalist,but by our commies who become capitalists and those westerner approwed by them.