How can conservatives effect change?

Eh, I dont really see it. By the time things are bad enough to motivate a serious threat of a civil war, tyranny will be too well established to matter. The time to oppose Chavez was before he had assumed dictorial power, not after.

Were probably too late already, Tyrannys won, and the goal now is to try our best to survive the tyranny.

With this lockdown theyve gone a long way to destroy what remained of civil society, and maybe Lords right and this is a continueing attempt to destroy a remaining pocket, sending an armored division to hunt down the last japanese in the jungle as Coyoteblog put it.

Every personal interaction has to be mediated through the state now. Were not immune from that even here: were all in our atomized groups, and its increasingly dangerous to talk outside them.

It's not even really a question of will. Will did very little good for anyone in the soviet Union from 1930s to the 1980s. If anything you do that gets above 10 people likely has an informer to the secret police, organizing any meaningful resistance is simply not physically possible.
 
JagerIV said:
Every personal interaction has to be mediated through the state now. Were not immune from that even here: were all in our atomized groups, and its increasingly dangerous to talk outside them.
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Even without an official alliance, it doesn't help that so many big corporations are on the side of said governments

They live off each other

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Soft Power is more effective than Hard Power, change my mind
 
I wouldn’t be opposed to a NSFW discuss your depression thread.

So long as a disclaimer was put in that the Sietch is not your therapist, counselor or psychiatrist.
 
AndrewJTalon said:
So, there is an uncomfortable question that I think we're all wondering: At what point do we stop talking about these outrages, and start doing something about it?

I don't mean armed insurrection... Not at first. But let's face it: The Left is desperate. Their time table for subverting control over the Western World was thrown off by all this populism. Installing Joe Biden via electoral shenanigans to the point that 80 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats think it was stolen by fraud is a sign of them willing to break every law and push through to get power. And once they have it, they'll try to keep it, solidify their control. The lockdowns are a perfect example. They're not going to be willing to give up that power, not easily.

They are exposed in the eyes of many Americans that they are corrupt, fraudulent, and incompetent at their jobs. And they'll just use naked power plays to get what they want.

This is not an exhortation to arms. Not yet. We may not be at that point yet, and who knows? We may get lucky and it doesn't come to that. But the simple fact is, even if you don't think Biden won via fraud, he is in essence beholden to the Chinese and to Big Tech. We've seen the lengths they've gone to in order to censor us. They will only be emboldened by this success. And they will strive to make sure we can't get 'uppity' ever again.

I'm not giving into despair over being ruled by these people. But I sense that this will ultimately only be resolved via conflict. Making the government fear the people who actually keep this country running more than the liberal parasites will be the only option. Whether that is through violence or other means is yet to be seen.

But, we come back to the question: What are we going to do about it?

This may be helpful:

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We Are Not Alone

I’ve never before today heard of Sarah Chamberlain, and yet she is my (a little younger) sister. So are all of you, my comrades. From now on I’m stealing the communist word for believer…
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The thing is talking about these things *is* doing something about it.

Like I've said in another thread"They have all the money, power, and organization. We have our hands, brains, and our lives...". You seem to be wanting to fight an unwinnable fight. Did anti-communists ever get anywhere close to victory in the Soviet Union once it was established? No. It was brutal. People hated the theft of their work, they hated their lives being watched by secret police, they hated that they were poor serfs, and the commissars lorded over them. Yet, they could not rebel. We are in a similar position with little actionable agency. However we can prepare ourselves and our families, to weather the coming dark times, to be able to take advantage of the situation, when the System's inherent contradictions rise to a head, a la 1990 in the soviet bloc. We can count on rising ethnic tensions, and foreign support(read: China and Russia) for separatist groups, and people being impoverished by the grinding nature of American capitalism, these centripetal forces are those which will allow our groups to make the steps they need to slowly replace the American Empire.

Julio92 said:
No, we know this, we've seen it with our own eyes, all the graphs, the data digging, all the evidence in the world won't convince those whose system of beliefs make them refuse to believe. Best to keep our heads down and start forming our own cliques/mannerbunds/cabals/secret societies/ to give each other a hand in the corporate world today. They have all the money, power, and organization. We have our hands, brains, and our lives, we will not salvage this mess, perhaps our grandchildren will if we lay the foundations.

Have a family, and network with like minded families. Secret disapora living is possible, and will be necessary to survive the coming decades.
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As its going now, in Europe by the time that happens, the Islamists are the one most poised to take advantage of a retreat of the System from our common lives, we need to emulate their strategies. They have support networks centered around their mosque communities providing, spiritual, social, and *financial* aid. The latter is the most important, no one will join your parallel society or pushback against the system if they can't raise a family while doing so, and if they do, they will live a life of penury and further discourage other people from joining. It is up to a vangaurdist group to lay the foundations of a cohesive support network, a power network, which is *a lot* of sacrifice in other aspect of life, before any talk of resistance can take place.


Also, no they don't seem incompetent, they got their objective. But as GOV becomes more and more DMVified, we will begin to see the types of actual incompetence that makes our (hopefully built) parallel societal networks more appealing.

Thoughts @Lord Invictus?
 
I absolutely agree, no one will be a dissident if it means being out on the street with their children starving.

Mutual support networks are essential.

If our people are deplatformed, lose their jobs and homes-we must be willing and able to provide for them.
 
Good grief. Haven't any of you read Solzenitsyn?

The Russians could have rebelled. All that stopped them, was that they were cowards. They did not love freedom enough to risk dying, and sat trembling in their rooms as the secret police came and took their neighbors. If they had instead grabbed simple tools and clubs and swarmed them under, the secret police could not have accomplished what they did.

The attitude so many of you are exhibiting, is the exact key to tyranny. Defeatism. You, they have already triumphed over.

Me? If we get to that point, I will deliberately choose to go down shooting, because if every patriot takes one or two of the secret police with them, much less five or ten, the secret police cannot succeed.

Edit:

To elaborate on this, we aren't at the point of 'secret police.' The Covid nonsense has put us closer to it a lot faster than I once thought possible, but we are not there yet, and resorting to violence before we get to that level of dystopic, is entirely uncalled for.

Things are so tumultuous at this point, that it's hard to say just what will happen; so much hinges on what happens between now and inauguration day, especially the Georgia Senate election, so it's all up in the air.
 
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Okay guys, best avoid outright talk of fighting before the MODs come in

That said, when it comes to say “retreating” or forming your own “parallel societies” or even making your own underground markets for goods & services due to being blacklisted from learning from a University or selling at Amazon or WalMart

I think you gotta remember that prospering maybe seen as something that would attract attention and from there a Danegeld maybe expected from you or they come to take over, perhaps by sending their own people en masse too in order to take over said “Parallel Society”

If they can’t subtly attack/destroy said “Parallel Society” from the inside, then gradually they may do it from the outside.

That said, gotta agree with @LordsFire

Without a love for freedom, and maybe a constant looking out for possible threats and ways to adapt, you’ve already lost
 
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I find this optimism to be foolish and based on an intentionally misrepresented appraisal of the situation. I get it, doom and gloom isn’t cool or chic and saying how things are great and Libs be owned is more sexy, but reality unfortunately isn’t in line with that.

*Again, I do not advocate for insurrection, and my prior posts were intended to get across just how bad and serious civil wars are.

Part of the reason for this optimism is because political analysis and discussion becomes a quickly depressing and miserable affair when things are bad for your side. Few have the emotional or mental constitution to handle “we’re losing, things suck” day in day out.

It’s also not appealing. No one is attracted to losers even losers aware of being so and able to explain why.

But the difference between a serious sober politics of real analysis and reflection, vs. college Republican chest thumping is to be able to say “we’re losing, and there is little we can do about it”.

It doesn’t get you laid, and doesn’t make you popular at the parties, but then when was sobriety ever cool?

I see this problem a lot in right wing politics amongst younger generations, optimism is cool and chic, pessimism is not. Because pessimism is at a primal level unappealing and unattractive.

But if we want to be serious, like to actually think and consider things and the gravity of them, we will be pessimistic and realistic.

Anyway, just me rambling early Christmas morning.

*Again, if any mods read the exchange with AJ, I did not advocate for insurrection, or revolution. I told AJ to contemplate what his “exhortation to arms” really entails, and asked him rhetorically if he was willing to do what would be required in such a time. That’s not advocacy.

LordsFire said:
The Russians could have rebelled. All that stopped them, was that they were cowards. They did not love freedom enough to risk dying, and sat trembling in their rooms as the secret police came and took their neighbors. If they had instead grabbed simple tools and clubs and swarmed them under, the secret police could not have accomplished what they did.
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You do realize that there was anti Bolshevik opposition, and ferocious opposition at that? It was crushed you know and crushed rather ruthlessly. There’s also the fact that do what he said, they’d have needed organizations and coordination. At the local level, the bolsheviks could only be resisted for a time, if they were, they’d come back later, machine gun half the village and torture the rest and leave them to rot in the ice. The Cheka were feared for a reason dude. Because they dealt with resistance in a way that made people afraid.
 
I am actually hopeful in the long term, in 80 to 100 years a lot of this fuckery will be over and it will be seriously over.

In the short term? I think things are going to get worse, proscription lists are already here, we have mass cheating and the boomers are set to retire which will cause a global credit crunch, and taxes will skyrocket because how many of them actually planned properally for retirement?

In two years we start running out of other peoples money, the very foundation of the power of the urban elites who are doing this starts crumbling. Theres a reason why their freaking out, their foundation is built upon sand and they know it. 2001 is the last 'good' year. 2002 is when the boomers start retiring enmass and every country on earth has to figure out how to pay for it.


The good news is that the people were facing have a inherently self destructive idology, so in the long run it wont last, the bad news is that we are all dead in the long run, and we get to live through the horrible times that are comming.
 
The problem is that the ideology we oppose is enshrined at all levels and the system is itself fairly secure.

The Soviet Union lasted 69 years, IIRC. 74 since the revolution.

This system could endure a century or more, through brainwashing, economic incentives, free money printing, and sci fi level police state capabilities.
 
Lord Invictus said:
The problem is that the ideology we oppose is enshrined at all levels and the system is itself fairly secure.

The Soviet Union lasted 69 years, IIRC. 74 since the revolution.

This system could endure a century or more, through brainwashing, economic incentives, free money printing, and sci fi level police state capabilities.
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brainwashing.... I doubt it. Country is massive and trying to do that is hard, and expensive.

economic incentives...the global credit crunch starts in 2 years, free money printing that gets you hyper inflaction. Sci fi level police capabilities? Our prision system is already over stocked as is, we are already at maximum capacity and are bleeding money.


All of these things your talking about take money and resources and its not there.

Distopias are expensive as fuck to run and always have been.
 
Cherico said:
brainwashing.... I doubt it. Country is massive and trying to do that is hard, and expensive.

economic incentives...the global credit crunch starts in 2 years, free money printing that gets you hyper inflaction. Sci fi level police capabilities? Our prision system is already over stocked as is, we are already at maximum capacity and are bleeding money.


All of these things your talking about take money and resources and its not there.

Distopias are expensive as fuck to run and always have been.
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Talking about the US right?
 
Cherico said:
brainwashing.... I doubt it. Country is massive and trying to do that is hard, and expensive.

economic incentives...the global credit crunch starts in 2 years, free money printing that gets you hyper inflaction. Sci fi level police capabilities? Our prision system is already over stocked as is, we are already at maximum capacity and are bleeding money.


All of these things your talking about take money and resources and its not there.

Distopias are expensive as fuck to run and always have been.
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Policing wont be done by the state. It will be outsourced to corporations and NGOs. Groups like ADL will police the web using automated algorithms and an army of informants and snitches. They will send their findings and recommendations to corporations who will work in concert to systematically deplatform and exclude dissenters from their platform. . The NGOs will apply real world pressure and intimidation against their jobs, businesses, relatives and associates while the Trusted Media amplifies the message.

Dissenters will be deplatformed, dehoused, defamilied and socially executed.

No prison needed and the government need not pay a dime.
 
Cherico said:
I am actually hopeful in the long term, in 80 to 100 years a lot of this fuckery will be over and it will be seriously over.

In the short term? I think things are going to get worse, proscription lists are already here, we have mass cheating and the boomers are set to retire which will cause a global credit crunch, and taxes will skyrocket because how many of them actually planned properally for retirement?

In two years we start running out of other peoples money, the very foundation of the power of the urban elites who are doing this starts crumbling. Theres a reason why their freaking out, their foundation is built upon sand and they know it. 2001 is the last 'good' year. 2002 is when the boomers start retiring enmass and every country on earth has to figure out how to pay for it.


The good news is that the people were facing have a inherently self destructive idology, so in the long run it wont last, the bad news is that we are all dead in the long run, and we get to live through the horrible times that are comming.
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Merry Christmas.

My mother and father never belived that soviets fall whene they are alive,but it happened.Why? becouse good leaders like Reagan and pope,and people who wanted to be free.
People still want to be free,and even if president /Biden/and pope are leftist,Church and USA still exist.
But even if bith really fall,there is still God - and leftist stupidity.All they would built must disintegrate becouse it is too stupid to last.
Unfortunatelly,we would not see it - so,we must fight now as much as we can.Buy from free people,even if it cost more.Form small sociees,Those who could,buy rifles.Do not support with your moneys freedom enemies.
 
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