Good luck hitting DE with any artillery. OTOH if you do, they don't have much armor, you don't need huge guns.
And who would that be? Who uses longer ranged artillery than IG's?
If they rebel, they can't do much damage. If they don't rebel and are going to a serious invasion, you send an Astartes company, Titan legio or something like that with them.
You are missing the point. Just because something is more modern does not mean it is better in particular circumstances.
1.Obsolate units,like IG should not exist in WH40,becouse they could do nothing against DE.
Against orks current polish artillery with enough ammo would wipe them out before they could fire one schoot.
Considering that Orks have armored vehicles, including Titan equivalents, as well as artillery of their own... no, no it would not. Modern artillery simply lacks the punch to deal with heavy armor seen in Warhammer 40k.
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Why do you need heavier artillery than Basilisks against DE of all the xenos? They have little armor, if you hit them with any, they die, the problem is hitting them at all.
And a major heretek presence to design such stuff themselves and refit factories. And hope they aren't corrupted by chaos too much or they will build daemon engines for fighting at close range or something because Khorne doesn't like long range artillery. So, very, very few human worlds. If such a rare world rebels, Imperium usually will figure out how to bring more advanced support.
It's 40k, if they could afford to only recruit completely, absolutely loyal people to IG, it would be Inquisition Stormtroopers. Inquisition Stormtroopers don't need artillery overall, they have the real good stuff available instead, like starships that can do accurate orbital strikes.
>enough
It probably could. But some Munitorium officials would say that the switch will reduce the supply of artillery by half for at least half 2 centuries, cause disruption of supply chains for half a millenium, and result in destruction of thousands of divisions and loss of few hundreds of planets due to resulting equipment and ammo shortages.
No long range artillery,and yes,our artillery could not destroy their Gargants - but,so what? everything else would die.Considering that Orks have armored vehicles, including Titan equivalents, as well as artillery of their own... no, no it would not. Modern artillery simply lacks the punch to deal with heavy armor seen in Warhammer 40k.
And IoM has self-propelled artillery, as noted:
Bombard
The Bombard is a powerful Imperial mobile artillery piece that mounts a Heavy Siege Mortar on a Leman Russ tank chassis. It is amongst the most powerful and largest artillery pieces in use by the heavy artillery and siege artillery companies of the Imperial Guard. The Bombard should not be...Manticore
The Manticore, also known as the Manticore Rocket Launcher, is a self-propelled rocket artillery piece used by the Astra Militarum that is based on a variant of the Chimera armoured personnel carrier chassis. A formidable weapon, the Manticore is capable of firing devastating barrages over...Land Raider Helios
The Land Raider Helios is a variant of the standard Land Raider super-heavy tank used by the Adeptus Astartes. The Helios variant of the Land Raider came about when the need arose to provide a fast-moving Space Marine heavy assault force with close-in armoured bombardment capable of operating in...Legion Basilisk
The Legion Basilisk was a common variant of the standard Imperial Army Basilisk Self-Propelled Artillery Tank that was used by the Space Marine Legions during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy eras of the late 30th and early 31st Millennia. As cohesive fighting forces able to operate and...Legion Medusa
The Legion Medusa was a common variant of the standard Imperial Army Medusa Self-Propelled Siege-Mortar Tank that was used by the Space Marine Legions during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy eras of the late 30th and early 31st Millennia. As cohesive fighting forces able to operate and conquer...Whirlwind
"Victory does not always rest with the big guns. But if we rest in front of them, we shall be lost." —Commander Argentius of the Silver Skulls The Whirlwind is an Imperial artillery support vehicle based upon the Standard Template Construct (STC) Rhino armoured personnel carrier (APC) chassis...Whirlwind Hyperios
The Whirlwind Hyperios is a mobile anti-air tank and variant of the Whirlwind Artillery Tank that serves as the Adeptus Astartes' most potent surface-to-air combat unit. The Whirlwind Hyperios is the newest variant of the Whirlwind to be deployed into the armouries of the Space Marines and was...Wyvern
"Hiding in the trees are they? Let's see those grox-lovers hide from this!" —Gunnery Seneschal Bromner, Wyvern Rain of Absolution The Wyvern Suppression Tank, more often known simply as the Wyvern, is a short-range, self-propelled artillery piece of the Astra Militarum. The Wyvern is a variant...
1.Better range,so they could not outgun you.
How do you hit DE units with long range indirect fire arty when their whole thing is that they are super fast and stealthy? It would be almost like trying to hit a low flying stealth helicopter with how fast all their hover units move.
Earth engineers would be low end hereteks by 40k standards. It's not like random civilized worlds have whole engineer schools that design new vehicles as they wish, that's haram, AdMech has monopoly on a lot of stuff. Those who defy the monopoly are considered hereteks.
So how they are supposed to magic up the perfectly loyal IG recruits in billions smartass?
Then they have 2 incompatible logistical chains, everything gets more complicated. Still the switching will consume resources, and 95% of conflicts will see no benefit anyway, only heavier shells that are harder to transport.
They are geared to fight the idiot enemies because that's what they usually fight, not the optimized human enemies with long range artillery that you want them to fight. In the rare cases they fight an enemy who does have this kind of long range stuff to whack the IG with, that's a perfect opportunity to bring out Astartes or Titans, no need for IG to be equipped to handle them themselves with how rare they are.
1.DE - loitering ammunition would deal with them.And suicidal racing drones.
With them? Not a chance. Eldar are not drunkard conscripts with old AK and shaking hands, they can probably shoot a drone like that with a pistol while driving and laughing, they are outright superhuman in such tricks.
I think there are even 30k stories of IoM conquering such. Yes, they used Astartes, Titans and shit like that, a lot.
Because it costs resources and servitors are worse fighters than guardsmen while needing maintenance too.
Ironically they have a lot of space soviet problem anyway, IG is where these problems are, lol.
Some want to, but AdMech doesn't trust alien tech and sometimes for good reasons, they only half understand their own technology to begin with. Our age's technology, stolen or not, doesn't cause AI rebellion civil wars and warp rifts, so its safer to play with bold inventions, but in 40k, being careful is understandable.
That's why they aren't the only army. They do in fact usually fight enraged citizens, random cultists and idiot orks. If they are sent to fight someone more dangerous, normally they get paired up with one of the other armies who can provide the rarer capabilities. It's like saying every army division should have an anti ship missile battery. Why? Because sometime they might need to fight on a coast and the enemy might have warships. It's sensible on the face of it, but if you have any idea about the trade-offs of that in military organization, it's fucking insane, a sane country with have separate anti ship missile batteries that won't be dragged around by every unit for every battle.
1.During night,too? and, both loitering ammo and racing drones could hide almost to last moment before attack.Not mention,they could attack in swarms.
Even more so at night. Fuckers with some training can give Astartes a run for their money in perception, agility and reflexes.
Pointless soundbite. Most planets aren't in a serious war at all times, nevermind in wars that require Astartes. Its just like saying that USA can't use F-22's to deal with things because they have way less than 1 per city.
Servitors need maintenance, they are biological robots. IG can take care of itself, servitors need a low level tech for that, and sometimes a techpriest, just to not rot away.
They kinda are. They have some competent units with good equipment, but many others are glorified WW1 troops with lasguns, and some crappier units don't even have normal lasguns.
How hard is it to understand that they have Astartes, Inquisition, AdMech, and Navy to deal with those rare scenarios?
The knives we use now aren't meaningfully better for stabbing people than the ones they used 1000 years ago. The hand grenades and similar explosives we have now are maybe 20% better than the WW2 one. Many weapons hit diminishing returns in technology badly.
AdMech has monopoly on that and sometimes does... just very slowly.
And not every division needs long range artillery. For example some more mobile US and UK units stick with 105mm artillery. That goes double in 40k where most armies don't have even that. So they could come to a conclusion that in the rare cases where the enemy has a lot of very long ranged artillery good enough to snipe theirs, they can relatively easily use the giant macrobattery guns they have on most starships with shells the size of a tank that can reach anywhere on the planet not covered by a shield to suppress it.
It's like saying that US Army is not an army because for some fights it needs the Air Force or Delta Force to help, you are making up bullshit rules no one cares about as usual.
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1.Point taken.
That is waht i arleady said - WH40 is only tabletop game,so we should not defend it from attack - becouse games are not worth it.
It is better at its job. Fighting independent human armies by itself is not even in top 10 of its jobs.
They do. But its worth only so much with chaos and shit existing.
"but air force" is not a valid exception. Air force is a part of a military as much as any other.
Monsters fight like monsters, not with long range artillery, so why do they need to carry around even longer ranged artillery to counter this non-existent artillery.
As i said, technology has diminishing returns in weapons and they vary by type. If you used a bomber or tank from 1918 everyone would laugh, but even Americans put slightly improved heavy machineguns from 1918 on their best tanks and no one says a thing.
US Army has little artillery for that reason. They have as much of the 155mm gun artillery that you go so crazy about as 7x smaller South Korea. And lets not even get into what North Korea has.
US army is built to fight average Earth armies, what other armies can they fight. And they would not even get to most armies without Navy help, nevermind defeat them without Navy and Air Force. Americans are obsessed about joint command and multi-domain operations for a reason, only an idiot thinks Army is supposed to focus on being best at fighting alone. IG is not built to fight independent human armies with own technology, and certainly not alone, those are super rare in 40k, they have orks, partisans and tyranids to fight most of the time.
I don't even play the game itself and I'd pay for that!