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[Husky_Khan]

Loki Season Two Trailer.



October 6th on Disney+.

Looks like they found a Jonathan Majors to star in this series that isn't under investigation for multiple allegations of domestic abuse, which is good for continuity. Thank goodness for Marvel's investment in the Multiverse happening when it did.

Dunno... the marketing for this works for me.

The McDonalds, when I do go to them, do seem to do a far better job hiring people and training them then other fast food restuarants in my limited and localized experience. At least if you avoid the weekend crews...

Can McDonalds save Phase Four... or McPhase Five and Disney Studios? Will Marvel Studios be forced to sell to McDonalds and become McMarvel Studios in the wake of this Entertainment Industry strike? Will food service workers replace Unionized writers and actors en masse on stage and on camera?

Or is this a look into the future of many of your favorite niche Hollywood stars? A potential "variation" of the timeline where the Entertainment Industry strikes continue on to this inevitable conclusion? A glut of highly talented thespians working the front counter of your local fast food restaurant?

 

[Jormungandr]

I think it's safe to say that the MCU is decaying rapidly.

I mean, you have some gems, but in general the whole thing has become middling project after middling project, and people are suffering superhero fatigue because this has been going on since circa 2008 -- that's 15 years now.

The magic of the original Avengers was captured again with Infinity War and Endgame, but after that its flame has just slowly petered out.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I think it's safe to say that the MCU is decaying rapidly.

I mean, you have some gems, but in general the whole thing has become middling project after middling project, and people are suffering superhero fatigue because this has been going on since circa 2008 -- that's 15 years now.

The magic of the original Avengers was captured again with Infinity War and Endgame, but after that its flame has just slowly petered out.

Yeah it's impressive how they fell apart after carefully planning a lot of the stuff they had for the first three 'phases' of the MCU. Along with the Star Wars Sequels level of lack of planning, they're clearly spreading themselves too thin with the focus on television shows and movies simultaneously. When they outsourced the stuff to ABC and Netflix it worked out pretty nicely even if they barely acknowledged the existence of the Netflix shows, which all things considered, seemed more professionally done and generally higher quality then pretty much all of the Disney Plus Marvel TV shows offered so far.

Come 2024, Disney Plus is apparently planning on cracking down on multiple users of the same account just like Netflix did so I figure I'll just be cancelling Disney Plus when that happens like I did Netflix. Still got a year to watch whatever trash they vomit out, plus the nostalgia kick (currently chugging through the Gargoyles television show). But it does make things more comfortable and convenient that the MCU's decline (as well as their other Disney properties) is coinciding with them making their streaming service more inaccessible and expensive.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Final The Marvels trailer you incels.



It's soooo good... it reminds me of when Iron Man, Thor and Captain America shared the screen for the first time in The Avengers film over a decade ago.

CHILLS!!!! it gave me...

I think that's what you're supposed to say when your lying about how good something is to sound sincere...

Also the trailer is just clips put together by fandoms... but still... despite their best efforts...

 

[f1onagher]

Man, even the ads are starting to look like half-assed amateur hour.

 

[Jormungandr]

The MCU post-Endgame has decayed so rapidly that it's goddamn embarrassing by this point. smh

 

[Argent]

The MCU post-Endgame has decayed so rapidly that it's goddamn embarrassing by this point. smh

Mainly MCU was a huge project that was set to tie muiliple flims, games, tv shows all together in one shared universe to draw people in. It is one of the greatest media projects ever made and will be remembered for that. The problem comes from that it had a linear storyline and ended after End Game.

There have been a few bright spots like Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Guardian of the Galaxy 3. But all those where mainly just tieing up lose end or being a prequel.

So now you do not have the main storyline and the new phase doesn't have an overarching storyline. This has led to a much more fragmented universe. So basically you have the frame story without the trip to Canterbury.

It also has run into the Disney problems and lacks the strong leading cast to engage audiences. So you have much of the newer movies becoming standard summer blockbusters and lost that special spark.

Honestly the best thing Marvel could do is just reboot the whole thing and wipe the slate clean. They tried that a bit in Spiderman 3 but it was soft and largely ignored. They should go back to just making seperate movies like the new Spiderman animated movies. Then maybe in a decade they could relaunch a larger universe again. But snice MCU has made shared universes the new thing with copycat by the dozen I doubt thay will happen.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Updated "Leaks" of upcoming planned Marvel Disney+ shows.

New Marvel leak suggests Daredevil: Born Again won't debut on Disney Plus until 2025

Agatha and Ironheart's TV shows have seemingly been handed new release dates, too

www.techradar.com

The renamed Agatha: Darkhold Diaries, which is based on the character from the very first Marvel Disney+ series was pushed back a year to a September 2024 release.

Daredevil: Born Again pushed back to early 2025 instead of a late 2023 release.

Ironheart, based around the Girl with her self made IronMan suit from the Black Panther sequel no one cares about has her series pushed back to September of 2025.

Lotta delays by one or even two years...

 

[f1onagher]

Money's drying up and the writers just tore a gut wound in any production schedules. I'm still hoping that they cancel the Daredevil project. Disney's defiled that corpse enough as is.

 

[Jormungandr]

Yeah, I think it's safe to say the MCU is dying.

Aside from some successes like Guardians 3 (and even then some plot points were stretched a bit thin, like Gamora 2.0 being a bitch which basically undid all the character development seen in Guardians 1 and 2), it really should've ended (mainstream-wise, not counting spin-off projects) with Endgame.

They're flogging a dead horse at this point, and superhero fatigue is setting in for audiences -- The MCU has been going on since 2008, mind.

I mean, for fuck's sake, there are kids that were born during the first Iron Man's and Hulk's release year, and they're now teenagers./fifteen year olds watching the new stuff coming out.

 

[ParadiseLost]

Yeah, I think it's safe to say the MCU is dying.

I don't think its dying - its just no longer the star that it was.

Its a cash cow now, to be milked as much as possible, and Disney recognizes that. Disney treats IPs the same way as they treat regular businesses - once they are on the decline, they are to be milked as much as possible, no need to concern yourself overly about quality or sustainability.

 

[Jormungandr]

I don't think its dying - its just no longer the star that it was.

Its a cash cow now, to be milked as much as possible, and Disney recognizes that. Disney treats IPs the same way as they treat regular businesses - once they are on the decline, they are to be milked as much as possible, no need to concern yourself overly about quality or sustainability.

It's sort of both?

There's no denying that quality in almost every area has taken a sharp nosedive since Endgame, and Disney viewing it as a cash cow to be milked is par the course with them, really.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Looks like it was more serious than just a series delay in regards to DareDevil: Born Again

Perhaps in a twist of irony considering the shows title, the entire creative team has been fired and everything they had written and developed scrapped. It's getting a pre-reboot!

Fewer than half of the series' 18 episodes had been shot, but it was enough for Marvel executives, including chief Kevin Feige, to review the footage and come away with a clear-eyed assessment: The show wasn't working.

So, in late September, Marvel quietly let go of head writers Chris Ord and Matt Corman and also released the directors for the remainder of the season as part of a significant creative reboot of the series, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. The studio is now on the hunt for new writers and directors for the project, which stars Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock, a blind lawyer turned superhero.

They had even filmed several episodes already!

‘Daredevil’ Hits Reset Button as Marvel Overhauls Its TV Business

Launched during the pandemic with a playbook to shoot $150 million-plus seasons with no pilots, the Disney unit is undergoing growing pains and seeing the logic of "traditional TV culture."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Reportedly the show was too much of a 'legal procedural' with DareDevil not showing up in Costume until Episode Four and had little resemblance to the Marvel Netflix series which was actually good and entertaining. So they scrapped everything and are starting over.

 

[Jormungandr]

When even the woke executives are getting worried/scared about quality control now, you know things are starting to get bad for Disney.

...Good.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah I just read the article in full. It goes into a fair bit of detail on how Disney has been producing its streaming television series and how it differed from traditional television production.

Wild stuff.

The story of how Secret Invasion and She Hulk had such crazy production was interesting. Apparently the She Hulk we got was far better then what was in post-production at one time. Yikes.

Also significant rewrites and reshoots and changes in creative direction apparently helped salvage Moon Knight which both I and I think critics and people in general seemed to like.

The article ends on a hopeful message for future Marvel shows as they seemingly change their production habits but I'm skeptical it'll lead to a clear increase in quality.

 

[evilchumlee]

Mainly MCU was a huge project that was set to tie muiliple flims, games, tv shows all together in one shared universe to draw people in. It is one of the greatest media projects ever made and will be remembered for that. The problem comes from that it had a linear storyline and ended after End Game.

That's the problem. The storyline ended after Endgame... but they could have, easily, started up a new storyline and basically just do the MCU again.

Instead, they didn't really establish any clear storyline and the releases all seem to be a hodgepodge of whatever they happen have laying around.

What even is the meta plot now? "Kang sort of I guess but he doesn't do much, mutliverse or something I guess that happens in a couple of movies and completely unconnected, Elaine from Seinfeld is doing... things and stuff too."

Marvel needs to go back to basics.

Have a clear meta story in mind. Tell individual stories that all connect in some way, and build on each other, making moves towards resolving the meta story.

It shouldn't be rocket science. They already cracked the code. Just... do THAT!

 

[Jormungandr]

That's the problem. The storyline ended after Endgame... but they could have, easily, started up a new storyline and basically just do the MCU again.

Instead, they didn't really establish any clear storyline and the releases all seem to be a hodgepodge of whatever they happen have laying around.

What even is the meta plot now? "Kang sort of I guess but he doesn't do much, mutliverse or something I guess that happens in a couple of movies and completely unconnected, Elaine from Seinfeld is doing... things and stuff too."

Marvel needs to go back to basics.

Have a clear meta story in mind. Tell individual stories that all connect in some way, and build on each other, making moves towards resolving the meta story.

It shouldn't be rocket science. They already cracked the code. Just... do THAT!

You hit the nail on the head.

After Endgame, it's all gone into a directionless hydra.

Kang is supposed to be the new Big Bad after Thanos? Except he's been limited to, what, one TV show? Mentioned in a side movie? While all the others are off doing... stuff that are all pretty much unconnected.

The MCU has become bloated and somewhat diseased.

 

[evilchumlee]

Kang is supposed to be the new Big Bad after Thanos? Except he's been limited to, what, one TV show? Mentioned in a side movie? While all the others are off doing... stuff that are all pretty much unconnected.

The MCU has become bloated and somewhat diseased.

Worse yet, when they do show Kang... the big bad... he's like, kind of a bumbling idiot? Or at the very least, entirely non-threatening.

Even the multiverse stuff is just... kind of shotgunned out with no direction.

Mysterio: I'm from an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!!! ok not really.

Pietro: HOLY CRAP I'M QUICKSILVER FROM THE FOX X-MEN MOVIES! Actually, not really i'm just some dude.

And then Spiderman: Nostalgia Home which was cool, whatever. Then Dr. Strange "idk just do stuff for reasons".

Might have been more effective to actually start telling some stories in other universes, so that we can care about them when a threat comes to destroy those universes? Instead of just "Hey, 'member Tobey Macguire? I 'member!"

They can still course correct. But Marvel is starting to suffer from the disease everything is anymore, being less concerned about telling good stories and much concerned with their ESG score.

 

[Typhonis]

There are TWO threats they could have set up for a new MCU villian.

One is Galactus. You have the Celestials already why not show their enemy? Galactus visiting the planets with embryonic Celestials to eat them.

The other? Someone the ENTIRE MU has trouble dealing with if they are not nerfed. Someone that can go multiversal with no problems. The Beyonder.

 

[evilchumlee]

There are TWO threats they could have set up for a new MCU villian.

One is Galactus. You have the Celestials already why not show their enemy? Galactus visiting the planets with embryonic Celestials to eat them.

The other? Someone the ENTIRE MU has trouble dealing with if they are not nerfed. Someone that can go multiversal with no problems. The Beyonder.

I'm not sure the MCU had the rights to Galactus immediately post-Endgame.

Kang is a fine choice. Kang is a great villain. They just didn't bother to even introduce him until far too late, on a TV show where he's some wacky eccentric, and then a movie where he gets defeated by... ants. The execution has just been absolutely pants.