Fucking really?!
Black bear are basically harmless unless cornered, scared, or starving. I doubt New Jersey has enough of them for their population to survive unrestricted hunting.
Gah, this just pisses me off.
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Black bear are basically harmless unless cornered, scared, or starving. I doubt New Jersey has enough of them for their population to survive unrestricted hunting.
Gah, this just pisses me off.
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Usually these sort of articles blame Trump and Republicans, but as I understand it-New Jersey is pretty solid blue?
Bear Ribs
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NJ's black bears are suffering from severe overpopulation and they need hunters to cull them down.
www.nj.com
Bear population will double in 4 years without hunt, officials warn
Gov.-elect Phil Murphy has said he will halt the controversial bear hunt supported by Gov. Christie
www.nj.com
Or they could just trap them and send them out to the Mountain states.NJ's black bears are suffering from severe overpopulation and they need hunters to cull them down.
Bear population will double in 4 years without hunt, officials warn
Gov.-elect Phil Murphy has said he will halt the controversial bear hunt supported by Gov. Christie
We have more deer than we know what to do with, and not enough predators to deal with them.
Argent
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It is.
You should get your hunting news from a non activist group.
Frist you have to get a permit and it is a short hunting season that has a target goal of 30 percent. Overall a pretty standard thing for a DNR to do when a species is be coming a problem.
Also while New Jersey may not have many black bears they have enough to cause problems in a state that is mostly urban sprawl in the north half and filled with small towns in the lower half. Not to mention it is closed this year.
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Bear Ribs
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Bear are fairly lousy predators of deer. They're not fast enough to outrun them so unless the bear gets very lucky the deer will almost always escape.
Also a hunting season means that hunters pay the state a premium for the privilege of helping control the population. A catch and release program means the state's pouring money into moving bears, and a bear is no lightweight animal that can be caught and transported in a cheap cage.
Argent
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Never going to happen. Frist it cost tons of money to capture and then release bears in a different habit. The reason that hunting is used by States to control local anmial populations is that it makes the states money. There are states like Minnesota that fund state parks, class and other conservation efforts though hunting and fishing permits.
Your plan would require the money and poltical will that does not exist snice most people against hunting are never will to fund the alternatives.
I speak about black bears from expereince; they are hardly a threat, though can be a trash nuisance.
Also, I never really knew before now that NJ had a significant black bear pop.
And I'll admit, I'm not a fan of culling predator species; usually causes more problems than it's worth and leads to a prey species explosion that screws up ecosystems. Which is why I said it'd be better to trap them and move them out west, rather than cull them.
Now that I understand it is a permitted hunt, it changes things a little, and I do see the point with the financial issue of trap versus cull.
I just have an aversion to predator species culling after all the issues that caused out here, where it lead to a huge explosion of prey species that then ended up with things like Chronic Wasting Disease in deer populations and other issues like that.
Argent
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I speak about them from experience too having grown up in rual wooded areas. I still remember being at camp Tomahawk had a black bear attack. It wasn't straving had plenty of room away from humans snice this was northernish Wisconsin. But it wanted the skittles and the kid was in it's way. Just like wolves in Minnesota having large predators around towns and walking down main street will lead to human casualties.
Black Bears in New Jersey is a totally different beast then in the North Woods or Oregon. There are no state parks they can live in without running in to humans. The entire State of New Jersey is the size of a couple counties by me.
Also while transfering black bears out west may sound great it is much more complicated endeavor for minimal gain. The habits are different, the weather patterns are different and while a state may be over run with deer the Black Bear population may be just fine. Then you get into the purely human issue of cost and ability to do so on a meaningful scale.
But predator hunting is not a bad thing. Plenty of states have managed to have hunting seasons. The thing is that you have to manage prey species too. Over hunting of anyone species will upset the balance.
Abhishekm
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If the population is stable and even more actually becoming overpopulated I have no problem with legalizing hunting of them. That is the entire point of regulated hunting. The article calling Bears Sentient actually rubs me more.
Hunting a carnivore is no different than hunting anything else. Personal sentiments and popularity aside Bear Season is no more or less ethical than Deer or Duck season species population and hunting limits considered.
God forbid ANTIFA starts screaming being Protected Species is an Animal Right or something.
Honestly probably sounds pretty calous especially for a guy whose dad is a Conservative Hindu Vegetarian. All life is special and all that included. But I don't really see any more of a problem with big game hunting provided sensible and sustainable wildlife and forestry management. Or even big game pets, heck big cat breeding doesnt seemed much different ethically than zoos to me.
Hunting a carnivore is no different than hunting anything else. Personal sentiments and popularity aside Bear Season is no more or less ethical than Deer or Duck season species population and hunting limits considered.
God forbid ANTIFA starts screaming being Protected Species is an Animal Right or something.
Honestly probably sounds pretty calous especially for a guy whose dad is a Conservative Hindu Vegetarian. All life is special and all that included. But I don't really see any more of a problem with big game hunting provided sensible and sustainable wildlife and forestry management. Or even big game pets, heck big cat breeding doesnt seemed much different ethically than zoos to me.
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LordsFire
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...I'm fairly sure there aren't any large species you're allowed to hunt without permit/license. Last I checked, even small game (squirrels and small game birds) require licensing/permits most places, and basically the only thing that doesn't, is trapping for pest-animals (muskrats and the like), and even that isn't always the case.
What on earth gave you the idea that any state would let people just up and kill large game animals in a completely unregulated way?
Pretty sure moose in AK don't need a permit, and pretty sure coyotes don't need them either in most places.
Not a hunter, so the details of permitting are not something I have a lot of knowledge about outside generalities.
Abhishekm
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Coyotes aren't pest animals? I mean Moose too could probably just be counted as larger even more annoying deer if their populations and habitat got too high. So falls under the pest category for those areas I guess.
Arlos
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I don’t know how it is in the US, but here it all depend on if the animals in question get hunted enough every years to stay at a stable population level, or they don‘t and population explode. Normally, every Hunting zone get Hunting Quota for each animals that they have to fill, otherwise, if damages happen because of animals whose quota weren’t filled, than Hunters registred in said zone must pay for the damages.
*grumble*Damn boar*grumble*
*grumble*Damn boar*grumble*
Abhishekm
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Googled Coyote population. Found no actual numbers but just a bunch of articles on how more are being hunted every year mixed with how their population is exploding. I mean they are technically just wild dogs but wilder. So they do fit the pest category to a tee scavenging and carion included.
www.nationalgeographic.com
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Kinda want to try a America sending actual Coyotes to Mexico joke but probably can't pull it off so just gonna let it go.
But hey found this too so there actually is a market for them? So go wild I guess?
Coyotes have expanded their range to 49 states—and show no signs of stopping.
We kill more than 400,000 a year, but this adaptable predator is thriving beyond all expectations. Now, it's poised to enter South America.
www.nationalgeographic.com
Kinda want to try a America sending actual Coyotes to Mexico joke but probably can't pull it off so just gonna let it go.
But hey found this too so there actually is a market for them? So go wild I guess?
Bear Ribs
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Hunting laws tend to make a distinction between pest control and hunting. So if you, f'rex, put a bullet through a coyote trying to eat one of your calves or a raccoon digging into your chicken coop that's pest control. If you get your rifle and dogs and head into the woods to shoot racoons that's hunting. The laws can get messy and there's often a different set for every state and county.
That said a significant chunk of people with any rural acreage will get a hunting/fishing license anyway.
That said a significant chunk of people with any rural acreage will get a hunting/fishing license anyway.
Abhishekm
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Can guess that. But doesn't change that Coyotes do seem to fall under the Pest category in suburban areas more than say a really lost fawn hiding in your tools shed. So don't feel bad about whacking them with a stick if you have to I guess...the Coyote not Bambi you monsters.
So in the last day or so I've learned from this thread that Bear and Coyote are legally and ethically sound hunting targets permits providing. Neat.
Back to news! Look at this one.
Louisville police major on antifa and BLM: 'They will be the ones washing our cars'
"Our little pinky toenails have more character, morals, and ethics, than these punks have in their entire body," Maj. Bridget Hallahan wrote in an email.
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