Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes

[Husky_Khan]

Well my entire argument was based on assumption that meme targeted antifa as in anti fascist activism. While i see that antifa organisation as an organisation may have some complicated history behind it, it's unclear to me how then people who actually protest fascism in some form should label themselves. Should they call themselves good-antifa-boys? Or something? To differentiate themselves from bad-antida-communist-boys? Or is this impossible to achieve? Asking you guys ( @Marduk too) as a people proficient in history.

What Antifa should do is make a nationwide movement, like they have already and rebrand it as a National movement.

Add in Socialism... because Socialism is awesome to these guys and today is being used as a "badword" or slur.

Then remember that the tenets of Communism and anti-fascist action is to advocate on behalf of the Working Class. So add in Workers.

And for legitimacy... make it a Political Party as well.

So instead of Antifa, they can be a National Socialist Workers Party.

Of course, they need to illustrate they are progressive as well. New as one might say.

So a nice abbreviation would be adding the prefix 'Neo' in front of it.

I can't see why anyone would have a problem with a Neo-National Socialist Workers Party. Those are all really good and positive words??? 🤷‍♀️

 

[CockyVampire67]

What Antifa should do is make a nationwide movement, like they have already and rebrand it as a National movement.

Add in Socialism... because Socialism is awesome to these guys and today is being used as a "badword" or slur.

Then remember that the tenets of Communism and anti-fascist action is to advocate on behalf of the Working Class. So add in Workers.

And for legitimacy... make it a Political Party as well.

So instead of Antifa, they can be a National Socialist Workers Party.

Of course, they need to illustrate they are progressive as well. New as one might say.

So a nice abbreviation would be adding the prefix 'Neo' in front of it.

I can't see why anyone would have a problem with a Neo-National Socialist Workers Party??? Those are all really good and positive words. 🤷‍♀️

You mean natsoc? It would be too obvious.

 

[Husky_Khan]

You mean natsoc? It would be too obvious.

This entire discussion has been an exercise in the futility of grasping the obvious. Don't stop it now.

 

[Marduk]

Well my entire argument was based on assumption that meme targeted antifa as in anti fascist activism. While i see that antifa organisation as an organisation may have some complicated history behind it, it's unclear to me how then people who actually protest fascism in some form should label themselves. Should they call themselves good-antifa-boys? Or something? To differentiate themselves from bad-antida-communist-boys? Or is this impossible to achieve? Asking you guys ( @Marduk too) as a people proficient in history.

Most people who want to make a political stance, just "protest fascism" by the mere fact that they stand by any imaginable political ideology other than fascism.
Meanwhile obsessing about fascism specifically is typically a far left thing to do. In the modern incarnation in particular, it is a silly game of "i won't tell you what i stand for, but lemme tell you what i stand against". Its an ideological cat in a bag, and usually the cat is some shade of red, but the bag's owner always argues that you should never jump to conclusions.

 

[CockyVampire67]

Most people who want to make a political stance, just "protest fascism" by the mere fact that they stand by any imaginable political ideology other than fascism.
Meanwhile obsessing about fascism specifically is typically a far left thing to do. In the modern incarnation in particular, it is a silly game of "i won't tell you what i stand for, but lemme tell you what i stand against". Its an ideological cat in a bag, and usually the cat is some shade of red, but the bag's owner always argues that you should never jump to conclusions.

Well fascism both combines authoritarian elements of governance and autocratic ones. What a lucky coincidence. You can say it's as undemocratic as it gets, on par with communism. Correct me if my limited understanding of subject is wrong.

 

[LordsFire]

Well fascism both combines authoritarian elements of governance and autocratic ones. What a lucky coincidence. You can say it's undemocratic as it gets, on par with communism. Correct me if my limited understanding of subject is wrong.

When communists and fascists get into fights, they're basically both fighting because they will be the ones to butcher millions of people, dammit!

 

[Marduk]

Well fascism both combines authoritarian elements of governance and autocratic ones. What a lucky coincidence. You can say it's undemocratic as it gets, on par with communism. Correct me if my limited understanding of subject is wrong.

And such an extremely loose way of defining fascism is utterly useless, because you can easily apply it to a whole lot other political movements, incuding those older than fascism by centuries, and with some creative accounting, effectively any and all of them.

 

[Doomsought]

Fascism is a pragmatic and nationalist variation on socialism. It dispenses with the mythical stateless utopia and declares the intermediate state of a socialist autocracy as the final state. It does not kill the rich, but instead the disloyal. Corperations are effectivley slaves to the state, under the threat of nationalization if they do not conform to the states will.

 

[CockyVampire67]

And such an extremely loose way of defining fascism is utterly useless, because you can easily apply it to a whole lot other political movements, incuding those older than fascism by centuries, and with some creative accounting, effectively any and all of them.

Well it's kind of brings up a question why compare it to political movements that are centuries older? Those times simply are different. But i do agree that fascism can be an umbrella term, just like communism is mostly umbrella term for an entire set or isms.

 

[Marduk]

Well it's kind of brings up a question why compare it to political movements that are centuries older? Those times simply are different. But i do agree that fascism can be an umbrella term, just like communism is mostly umbrella term for an entire set or isms.

Older or current times, it is an equally useless and incredibly easily manipulated way of looking at the political scene. The world doesn't revolve around fascism, its not the 1930's anymore, there are no fascist world powers remaining since nearly a century.

 

[Abhorsen]

Spoken like a leftist, little content but lots of emotive rhetoric. The dude speaks harshly against the Pakistani rapists who are well documented for their mass grooming and abuse of English women, and you're all "oohhhhh he's like a domestic abuser". You could have stopped at just quoting some of the things he said and you would have had nine tenths of the audience on your side right there, but you just had to make up some more shit and tack it on.

In the end, it is just some "he said shit" excuse. A man doesn't have to agree with everything another man says, to agree with part of it.

He doesn't just 'speak harshly', the guy repeatedly calls for race wars.

Um, here's the quotes where he talks like a domestic abuser:

Whatever you do, the English people will eventually understand you and support you, because they know that you act out of love!

Especially when you do those cruel and horrible things.

True love is eventually measured by your your willingness and ability to become a monster in order to protect those you love.

Except all he's describing doing is horrible things inside of England, that will harm a variety of English people.

Yeah, sounds like a domestic abuser to me.

Well my entire argument was based on assumption that meme targeted antifa as in anti fascist activism. While i see that antifa organisation as an organisation may have some complicated history behind it, it's unclear to me how then people who actually protest fascism in some form should label themselves. Should they call themselves good-antifa-boys? Or something? To differentiate themselves from bad-antifa-communist-boys? Or is this impossible to achieve? Asking you guys ( @Marduk too) as a people proficient in history.

There's little fascism in the US today. But if you are there protesting actual fascists, just call yourself what you are politically in a positive manner (i.e. what are you for), don't allow yourself to be grouped into an amorphous negative blob (what are you against), as then you become a tool of whoever coopts the movement.

 

[Terthna]

Older or current times, it is an equally useless and incredibly easily manipulated way of looking at the political scene. The world doesn't revolve around fascism, its not the 1930's anymore, there are no fascist world powers remaining since nearly a century.

One could argue that China is close; but to be honest, the different flavors of authoritarian governments tend to blend together, and the semantics involved rarely matter from the perspective of those who suffer under, or are threatened by, them.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Except all he's describing doing is horrible things inside of England, that will harm a variety of English people.

Immigrants are not english people despite what your american upraising might tell you. At best they are english citizens of foreign origin.

 

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[Scottty]

When the rabid Left uses the word "Fascist", we all know that it has not much to do with the political system they had in Italy under Benito Mussolini. No, it's just a snarl word for anything that gets in the way of the Left's totalitarian agenda.

Regarding the whole "age of guilt is over" meme... well, there's two sides to that.
On the one hand - yes, we can and should reject the false guilt that the would-be enslavers of mankind want to put on us. The Left will try to condemn you as unworthy of existence, based on things your remote ancestors supposedly did, or for things that the Leftist themselves did and are projecting onto you, or for things that actually aren't wrong at all. They will shamelessly make up stuff if they can get away with it.
And they will feel no guilt themselves about doing all of the things and worse, that they accuse you of doing.

On the other hand - we do not want to become like them. We do not want to become beings without conscience. We also do not want to be tricked into supporting things that were really bad, measured by our values, just because the Left won't stop accusing us of them.

 

[CockyVampire67]

One could argue that China is close; but to be honest, the different flavors of authoritarian governments tend to blend together, and the semantics involved rarely matter from the perspective of those who suffer under, or are threatened by, them.

I heard a lot of people calling indias current government fascist, or using some fascist government practices. Though i think people nowadays assume that nationalistic government is the same thing as fascist one.

 

[ATP]

When communists and fascists get into fights, they're basically both fighting because they will be the ones to butcher millions of people, dammit!

communists and germans.Mussolini never genocided anybody.You mistaken germans with fascists,when they were national-socialist.

 

[Abhishekm]

communists and germans.Mussolini never genocided anybody.You mistaken germans with fascists,when they were national-socialist.

Werent fascists that too? Sure a romanesque ethno socialist but they were definetly communist.

 

[ATP]

Werent fascists that too? Sure a romanesque ethno socialist but they were definetly communist.

Of course not.In Mussolini state you could have small or medium bussiness and go to church as long as you do not engaged in politics.In Hitler state your bussines must do wjat state wonted,and at least protestants were state controlled.
In soviet state you could have nothing and pray to Sralin,not God.