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War is Peace
Something we can all agree on for a change, I'd think.
Should also be a bug pizza.
Something we can all agree on for a change, I'd think.
that era? its still blatantly corrupt today.Everyone also seems to forget about how blatantly corrupt the Catholic church had become during that era, What with the indulgences and inability to reform. They had the warning of Jan Hus too they actually managed to put down the Hussites for the most part but ignored that massive red flag changed nothing and paid the price for it.
The Protestants are just as bad! If anything, they fell under first!that era? its still blatantly corrupt today.
it is full of gay pedophiles, promotes abortion, fights for open borders...
its basically a bastion of wokeness, child molestation, and stealing money from their believers.
protestants... well overall they are doing better.
It depends on the exact denomination. which is why I said overall better.The Protestants are just as bad! If anything, they fell under first!
WW1what war is this referring to?
The Protestants are just as bad! If anything, they fell under first!
Don't worry there is one Church that the gates of hell will not prevail against.It depends on the exact denomination. which is why I said overall better.
some protestant denominations are full on woke cultists.
others are bastions of conservatism.
others are in between.
the current pope though is literally a KGB spy who joined the church with other KGB spies specifically to undermine western society.
its kinda weird to lump all the different protestant denominations together though.
which one?Don't worry there is one Church that the gates of hell will not prevail against.
Considering the current commie loving Pope the idea that protestants ruined civilization is laughable. Clean up your own house before criticizing others my Catholic friend.Makes sense. When I had to use Explorer for work I also felt homicidal urges.
Don't want to toot my own horn but Eastern Orthodoxy. We don't have wokeism, we do have some problems with corruption on some occasions, but you can't get perfection from humans only God is. But the Orthodox have the best parts of Catholics and Protestants while avoiding their worst parts.which one?
And what if all of you are corrupt? What if you are all heretics?Don't want to toot my own horn but Eastern Orthodoxy. We don't have wokeism, we do have some problems with corruption on some occasions, but you can't get perfection from humans only God is. But the Orthodox have the best parts of Catholics and Protestants while avoiding their worst parts.
We are decentralized with no one infallible leader(except for Jesus) so we won't have to worry about one bad Pope coming in and fucking things up. Corrupting this Church won't be easy.
We also have a hierarchy unlike the protestants not every person can interpret the Bible and make up their own thing. Priests and Bishops educated men do that, so we don't have to worry about random people saying "The Bible does not condemn homosexuality because it was talking about abusive practices and temple prostitution. Not consensual adult relationships with an equal partner."
And yes some I have heard progressive protestant us that literal argument.
I feel the best way to avoid corruption of wokeism is to require only certain people be able to interpret and make judgment on matters of faith, and to make sure power is not centralized in one person or group that way if someone does get corrupted they can be anathemized and cast out. I mean how do you excommunicate the Pope if he is a heretic? We can excommunicate Bishops and Patriarchs if the rest of the Church decides so. It would be impossible to infilitrate multiple hierarchies in diffrent nations at the same time without getting caught like what happened with the Catholics.
That's a risk of literally every denomination and because of that fact not a legitimate argumentAnd what if all of you are corrupt? What if you are all heretics?
Everyone? That would be a denial of pentecost. It would show that Christianity is false. Wait what do you mean when you say corrupt? Do you mean like Commies take over and the only survivors are those that renounce the faith to save their skins? We've had things like that happen in Rome. There was even a minor heresy where the perfectionists said that priests had to be perfect and the priests who renounced God under threat of torture or death no longer can administer sacraments or even are no longer saved and are permanently out of the Church. This could cause issues as baptism saves otherwise when they did sacraments like baptism if you had a baptism from a priest who apostasied, does the baptism count?And what if all of you are corrupt? What if you are all heretics?
it is if you believe everyone should seek their own salvation with fear and trembling as opposed to looking to your priest or the state for your salvation. Maybe what I'm about to say is a MASSIVE hot take among conservatives but Christianity isn't about establishing Heaven on earth it's about your securing your place in heaven after you die.That's a risk of literally every denomination and because of that fact not a legitimate argument
Everyone? That would be a denial of pentecost. It would show that Christianity is false. Wait what do you mean when you say corrupt? Do you mean like Commies take over and the only survivors are those that renounce the faith to save their skins? We've had things like that happen in Rome. There was even a minor heresy where the perfectionists said that priests had to be perfect and the priests who renounced God under threat of torture or death no longer can administer sacraments or even are no longer saved and are permanently out of the Church. This could cause issues as baptism saves otherwise when they did sacraments like baptism if you had a baptism from a priest who apostasied, does the baptism count?
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Now if we become heretics then again you have to look at Church history. You go back to the early Church and the Great ecumenical councils.
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Again most Church's have most of the Bible so we can look at Christ's promise that the "gates of hell will not prevail" So both us and the Catholics(and by extension the Protestants) hold/held all 7. If both the Western Church has fallen and the Eastern then perhaps the Orientals were the true form of Christianity and only either the first 2 or 4 councils are valid and the rest are not. I would make this argument based on the fact that the Orientals still exist they haven't been wiped out.
You can't say the same about Arians because if Arians were right then Jesus lied and the gates of hell did prevail and there was no group that preached arianism.
That's true, only God can create paradise and it will only happen when he comes back and remakes/restores the world. But Christianity isn't JUST about securing your place in heaven(Yes it is that, but it's not the ONLY thing) again Christianity is not individualistic it is communal. There is the community of believers.it is if you believe everyone should seek their own salvation with fear and trembling as opposed to looking to your priest or the state for your salvation. Maybe what I'm about to say is a MASSIVE hot take among conservatives but Christianity isn't about establishing Heaven on earth it's about your securing your place in heaven after you die.
Yes the Anti Christ will take over the world, and oppress the Church. But he won't be able to wipe it out.Are you forgetting the part in Revelations where the devil takes over the world
Umm what all the Christians taken out? Are you talking about the rapture? That's not in the Bible.and all the surviving Christians are taken up as all of reality is rolled up as a scroll?
Umm Christ will return and rule on earth though? I mean even protestants believe that, this guys a Calvinist.This isn't referring to a literal kingdom on earth King.
That's true, only God can create paradise and it will only happen when he comes back and remakes/restores the world. But Christianity isn't JUST about securing your place in heaven(Yes it is that, but it's not the ONLY thing) again Christianity is not individualistic it is communal. There is the community of believers.
that was the flash point, but it had been building for some time. Ryan Reeves has an entire playlist on the matter.Wasn't one of the things that set people off was the selling of indulgences?
oh, sorry. that's my bad.I'm not Catholic. The Eastern Orthodox
Then the commoners will have to leave to another church that is not 100% made up of corrupted people.And what if all of you are corrupt? What if you are all heretics?