Modernist Architects On a Crusade Against Beauty
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KilroywasNOTHere
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in defense of the modern, a lot of those buildings are built the way they are so that things like air conditioning and other modern conveniences can work most efficiently. it's a question of which is a bigger priority, beauty or comfort? it's easy to complain about how ugly your home looks in the comfort of your climate controlled environment.
Simonbob
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I don't have aircon.
I don't work in aircon, either.
Last of all, do you want to be depressed, because a lot of this horrible buildings will screw with your head.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Old houses, at least stone ones here in Dalmatia, hardly need air conditioning. Stone walls and an actual roof do wonders for natural air conditioning. And majority of socialist Borg cuble block buildings don't have inbuilt air conditioning anyway, so you need to use heating in the flat itself. Which means electricity, and that is expensive.
If modern buildings really were built for good air conditioning, they would look at least like this:
Albeit with smaller windows.
Thing is that nowadays even those good things are being perverted, or even causing perversion.
Science? For all the good it did, it also gave us a lot of things connected with modern leftism, soulless architecture, worthless food and so on. So science alone cannot be classified as either good or bad. It is how we use it.
Reason? Humans are not beings of reason and I am not sure pretending we are is a good thing. Also, "reason" thing started with Ancient Greeks and was - despite claims to the contrary - never actually abandoned anywhere.
Human rights? That stuff was acknowledged throughout the entire Christian Europe, and especially the Catholic Europe. And today it got perverted as well.
Technology? Again, just like science, it is a morally neutral thing.
And if we assume that (as is often said) Enlightenment led to the French Revolution, then I'd say that the Enlightenment was, despite some positives, overall evil.
its still better than brutalism.
but thats essentially because that entire style is basically built to be depressing.
Simonbob
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Brutalist is a Modern style, and the others aren't that much different.
It's a major problem, actually. There's a considerable increase in mental problems in cities, and the more "Modern" the design, the higher the levels, I'm told.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
Old houses, at least stone ones here in Dalmatia, hardly need air conditioning. Stone walls and an actual roof do wonders for natural air conditioning. And majority of socialist Borg cuble block buildings don't have inbuilt air conditioning anyway, so you need to use heating in the flat itself. Which means electricity, and that is expensive.
If modern buildings really were built for good air conditioning, they would look at least like this:
Albeit with smaller windows.
Thing is that nowadays even those good things are being perverted, or even causing perversion.
Science? For all the good it did, it also gave us a lot of things connected with modern leftism, soulless architecture, worthless food and so on. So science alone cannot be classified as either good or bad. It is how we use it.
Reason? Humans are not beings of reason and I am not sure pretending we are is a good thing. Also, "reason" thing started with Ancient Greeks and was - despite claims to the contrary - never actually abandoned anywhere.
Human rights? That stuff was acknowledged throughout the entire Christian Europe, and especially the Catholic Europe. And today it got perverted as well.
Technology? Again, just like science, it is a morally neutral thing.
And if we assume that (as is often said) Enlightenment led to the French Revolution, then I'd say that the Enlightenment was, despite some positives, overall evil.
Right because chanting spells and pretending to give water magical healing properties did so much to stop the black plague and other diseases...oh wait.
The scientific method is not what caused politically charged crap. politically charged crap caused politically charged crap.
AnimalNoodles
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These people literally think that putting up architecture with some connection to the pre 1945 world will lead to another holocaust. Thus everything needs to be remade as ugly and alienating as possible and if you dont like it, you are literaly genociding BIPOC non binary muslims.
These people hate you, and want you to suffer and put up ugly buildings to flex on you.
These people hate you, and want you to suffer and put up ugly buildings to flex on you.
Let's be fair to some modernist architecture. When they try they can actually be pretty and impressive. It's not a matter of materials, concreate and glass is easy and cheap to work with, and plain boxes are the cheapest and easiest to make, thus why glass boxes seem to be the most common.
At the same time, concreate and glass made this:
Some might not like it, but it's clearly not trying to be ugly or non-expressive. For those curious that's Dulles International Airport in Virginia near Washington DC. It has an iconic main terminal that was purposefully designed to evoke the feel of a wing or sail.
But for every actual attempt at looking good with modern architecture you get something like this:
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This is literally an architectural award winning building not far from Dulles International Airport... and its an eyesore on the skyline standing in sharp contrast to the more elegant lines of Dulles.
At the same time, concreate and glass made this:
Some might not like it, but it's clearly not trying to be ugly or non-expressive. For those curious that's Dulles International Airport in Virginia near Washington DC. It has an iconic main terminal that was purposefully designed to evoke the feel of a wing or sail.
But for every actual attempt at looking good with modern architecture you get something like this:
This is literally an architectural award winning building not far from Dulles International Airport... and its an eyesore on the skyline standing in sharp contrast to the more elegant lines of Dulles.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
You are aware that stuff never happened? Nobody in the Middle Ages believed holy water stops the black plague. In fact, they knew about diseases as much as they could have. Hence this:
Early gas mask and protective clothing.
Now can we please stop pretending medieval people were stupid? If anything, they were smarter than us. They just lacked the knowledge we have thanks to accumulation through the centuries.
Impressive? Yes. Pretty? That first building you put up is not ugly, which for modern architecture is an achievement unto itself, but I would not say it is pretty.
ParadiseLost
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Dalmatia is much more temperate in the summer than the US.
Fucking New York gets hotter than Dalmatia in summer, let alone Texas, Florida, and the rest of the South.
Dalmatia is also... warmer in the winter than New York. And even on average warmer than South Carolina.
The comparison is ridiculous.
Beyond that, part of the reason for the modernist style that's actually used is that its just not cost effective to do the old styles anymore.
Do you have any idea how expensive it would be to do a modern government building in the classic gothic style?