Modernist Architects On a Crusade Against Beauty

[Aldarion]

Well, an example from Poland's backyard. What do you think it is?

A church. We have one similar abortion in Solin over here.

 

[Cherico]

A church. We have one similar abortion in Solin over here.

You guys were better off with cathedrals

 

[Skallagrim]

it was built by communists.

Indeed, so not people at all.

You guys were better off with cathedrals

I find that we're all better off with cathedrals.

But to be quite honest, I would choose even a mosque over modernism.

 

[ATP]

Because up close, from a distance it looks like a lemon squeezer

And this thing, is supposed to be a Catholic church. More specifically, the Church of the Divine Providence in Wilanów, a 'prestigious' district of Warsaw.

It could be worst.I saw other projects,one looked like big mound with trees on it.
I prefer lemon sgueezer.

But you are right,it is still abomination.

 

[gral]

I find that we're all better off with cathedrals.

I think you mean gothic cathedrals, because this:

https://imgs.search.brave.com/laGOTeDuGYl5uXvwFxya_b49Kbkm9sy7ofIMc8K04WI/rs:fit:640:481:1/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9pLnBp/bmltZy5jb20vb3Jp/Z2luYWxzL2RjLzM1/L2NlL2RjMzVjZTky/YTNlNjY1MjhjODA3/NDlkMmFlZTc4MjYy/LmpwZw

is theoretically a cathedral(Metropolitan Cathedral of Saint Sebastian, in Rio de Janeiro). I was never able to find out, but I'm sure the architect responsible for this abortion was a communist.

 

[Aldarion]

 

[WolfBear]

Who expects their kids to live with them? Only the 3rd worlders.

I still live with my parents and we're not of Third World origin!

 

[Simonbob]

I still live with my parents and we're not of Third World origin!

Heck, I live real close to my Dad, too.

It's still really unusual, these days. Means nobody has much connections.

 

[StormEagle]

Heck, I live real close to my Dad, too.

It's still really unusual, these days. Means nobody has much connections.

One could argue that that’s one of the main problems of western culture nowadays. Men and women move out from their parents home, often hours if not full days away from their familial connections. Leaving them either alone or only with their partner to rely on instead of a network of parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins.

This makes many people, especially people in the younger generations, vulnerable to ever more radical ideas. Especially if they went through the public education system and were, for lack of better word, primed to find leftist ideals acceptable.

The wisdom and experience of the previous generations is abandoned and the dogma of college professors and politicians is accepted in their place.

The disintegration of the familial unit and the atomization of the individual is what has aided in the destruction of western culture.

Ultimately, something is going to have to give eventually.

 

[WolfBear]

Heck, I live real close to my Dad, too.

It's still really unusual, these days. Means nobody has much connections.

I do it to save money.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Ok, I agree, over all.

After all, who thinks of passing their home to their kids? Who expects their kids to live with them? Only the 3rd worlders.

The idea that we should kick our kids out of the house as soon as we can is fucking stupid. Throughout most of history, children lived in thier parents homes until they were ready to form thier own household and contributed their income to the household income. It reduces debt, stabilises families and builds wealth.

 

[Simonbob]

The idea that we should kick our kids out of the house as soon as we can is fucking stupid. Throughout most of history, children lived in thier parents homes until they were ready to form thier own household and contributed their income to the household income. It reduces debt, stabilises families and builds wealth.

Yup.

But kids were working, contributing, from a young age. Marrying younger, too. Very different mindspace.

I wonder how much we sacrifice by having everybody in school till 18?

 

[WolfBear]

Yup.

But kids were working, contributing, from a young age. Marrying younger, too. Very different mindspace.

I wonder how much we sacrifice by having everybody in school till 18?

Freddie DeBoer actually supports allowing kids, especially dull kids, to drop out of school as young as 12. I don't know how I feel about that since even dullards could benefit from becoming a little bit more worldly.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Because up close, from a distance it looks like a lemon squeezer

And this thing, is supposed to be a Catholic church. More specifically, the Church of the Divine Providence in Wilanów, a 'prestigious' district of Warsaw.

Looks more like a office building than a cathedral... also why does the center part of the building look like a... unmentionable male body part?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Yup.

But kids were working, contributing, from a young age. Marrying younger, too. Very different mindspace.

I wonder how much we sacrifice by having everybody in school till 18?

Just thier most formative years and potentially their ability to set roots while they are in their prime. No big deal... college culture and corporate culture have been some of the worst things that could happen in this country.

 

[Simonbob]

Freddie DeBoer actually supports allowing kids, especially dull kids, to drop out of school as young as 12. I don't know how I feel about that since even dullards could benefit from becoming a little bit more worldly.

I leaned vastly more outside of school, than in. Merely being interested in something, and asking about it found me learning so much more that I did in classrooms.

I suspect that contributing might change the whole mental paradime for many, many people. Impotance is terrible for the human mind.


None of which explains why people build the ugly things they do.

I would NOT want to live there.

 

[ATP]

One could argue that that’s one of the main problems of western culture nowadays. Men and women move out from their parents home, often hours if not full days away from their familial connections. Leaving them either alone or only with their partner to rely on instead of a network of parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins.

This makes many people, especially people in the younger generations, vulnerable to ever more radical ideas. Especially if they went through the public education system and were, for lack of better word, primed to find leftist ideals acceptable.

The wisdom and experience of the previous generations is abandoned and the dogma of college professors and politicians is accepted in their place.

The disintegration of the familial unit and the atomization of the individual is what has aided in the destruction of western culture.

Ultimately, something is going to have to give eventually.

Yes,they want control over masses.Nothing less,nothing more.And,they would succed - if they take entire world.
But,both hindu and muslim do not agreed to that.
Pity,that West probably would die and be replaced by them.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I leaned vastly more outside of school, than in. Merely being interested in something, and asking about it found me learning so much more that I did in classrooms.

I suspect that contributing might change the whole mental paradime for many, many people. Impotance is terrible for the human mind.


None of which explains why people build the ugly things they do.

I would NOT want to live there.

1) they hate you, mock your suffering and truly enjoy ruining everything you love
2) developers and bureaucrats love it because its cheap to erect.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The ones I really wonder about are the ones that say they like the old commie brutalist style.

I had this conversation with a former tenant of mine once and her argument was basically "I get over stimulated in pretty houses with a lot of stuff hanging on walls and carpets and walls with colors. It's too much and it makes me think and houses aren't for thinking they're for vegetating"

Younger Millennials and Zoomers seem to be brainwashed to accept bland, ugly, sterile shit that they literally get anxious around beauty. Because beauty makes them feel inspired and you're not supposed to feel that way.

Forget cattle mentality, even fucking cows need pretty pictures on the walls of their Barnes 🤣

Yeah, while the Empire State Building cannot exactly hold a candle to older architecture, it still looks outright beautiful compared to basically everything that came after it.

TBH there are parts of the interior of the Empire State Building that rival some of the nicest villas in places like Milan and Florence.

Granted that's the interior. Or was it, I haven't been in there in a few years? For all, I know it's been gutted.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I had this conversation with a former tenant of mine once and her argument was basically "I get over stimulated in pretty houses with a lot of stuff hanging on walls and carpets and walls with colors. It's too much and it makes me think and houses aren't for thinking they're for vegetating"

Younger Millennials and Zoomers seem to be brainwashed to accept bland, ugly, sterile shit that they literally get anxious around beauty. Because beauty makes them feel inspired and you're not supposed to feel that way.

Forget cattle mentality, even fucking cows need pretty pictures on the walls of their Barnes 🤣

that's just sad. I mean heck even in a modern house that's white I like things to look sleek and classy

Also people do realize that intense vegetating leads to blacking out right? Good lord, between that comment and the fact that we can't seem to pay attention to anything that's longer than 8 seconds, I'm seriously afraid we are going to see a spike in senility due to people not stimulating or even using their brains.