Musk actually buys Twitter.

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
The EU are taking a page out of China's playbook, in an attempt to gain total control over the internet. I give it maybe a decade before we start hearing of the great European firewall.
Heh, walling off the EU internet would be interesting...might make the US internet a little more...freedom loving than it currently is.

Let the Euro's stew in their own political oppression of speech, sense they keep voting in govs who only want to censor more and more things outside their own borders.
 

Cherico

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Heh, walling off the EU internet would be interesting...might make the US internet a little more...freedom loving than it currently is.

Let the Euro's stew in their own political oppression of speech, sense they keep voting in govs who only want to censor more and more things outside their own borders.

I am not bullish on Europes future.

I think that continent is going to be fucked over hard this decade. Then again I think africa, the middle east, China, and most of the world is going to be fucked this decade.
 

liberty90

Evil Neoliberal Cat
Twitter not getting pulled form Apple store, apparently.

Also, Netflix praises the guy? WTF is happening here?

Links not archived though, just fyi.

Co-founder and co-CEO is not equal to "Netflix" as a whole, corporations are often complex structures with internal politics. It may be the case that he founded the thing... and yet now his influence is much smaller than at the start.

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In other news, Kanye West was banned for praising Hitler (like, literally).
 

Cherico

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Co-founder and co-CEO is not equal to "Netflix" as a whole, corporations are often complex structures with internal politics. It may be the case that he founded the thing... and yet now his influence is much smaller than at the start.

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In other news, Kanye West was banned for praising Hitler (like, literally).

At this point I think west has a chemical imbalance of some sort.
 

ShieldWife

Marchioness
I wish I had made a post about it so I could link to it, but for a while now I have been warning conservatives not to hitch their wagon to Kanye West, that he wasn’t very stable. That just because he endorsed Trump didn’t mean we should make him our hero.

There certainly does seem to be something mentally unstable about Kanye. It’s too bad, because he could have been a good ambassador from the dissident right to the black community. Now it’s just a mess and everybody is going to either look bad for associating with Kanye or look weak for disavowing him.

I think it was bad for Elon to suspend him though. Kind of shows that Elon saint as dedicated to free speech as he claimed. It’s not like praising Hitler needs to be some sacred like in the sand, I’m sure you can find praise for numerous murderous dictators across social media that are not censored but supported.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I wish I had made a post about it so I could link to it, but for a while now I have been warning conservatives not to hitch their wagon to Kanye West, that he wasn’t very stable. That just because he endorsed Trump didn’t mean we should make him our hero.

There certainly does seem to be something mentally unstable about Kanye. It’s too bad, because he could have been a good ambassador from the dissident right to the black community. Now it’s just a mess and everybody is going to either look bad for associating with Kanye or look weak for disavowing him.

I think it was bad for Elon to suspend him though. Kind of shows that Elon saint as dedicated to free speech as he claimed. It’s not like praising Hitler needs to be some sacred like in the sand, I’m sure you can find praise for numerous murderous dictators across social media that are not censored but supported.

Regarding the bolded bit, something I've noticed is that it's more "socially acceptable" to run defense for left-wing dictatorships than it is for right-wing or fascist ones. For instance, I believe Michael Moore praised Cuban healthcare more than once (even though it's probably shit), while historians have argued that despite all the people he killed, "Stalin turned Russia into a superpower when few others could!" or something to that effect.

And, while I agree Kanye should've kept his flap shut and that MAGA should steer clear of him, I also think we know for a fact that conservatives would never have gotten away with praising Franco or Pinochet — even though they were arguably less horrible and destructive than the average communist regime in the long run.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
I wish I had made a post about it so I could link to it, but for a while now I have been warning conservatives not to hitch their wagon to Kanye West, that he wasn’t very stable. That just because he endorsed Trump didn’t mean we should make him our hero.

There certainly does seem to be something mentally unstable about Kanye. It’s too bad, because he could have been a good ambassador from the dissident right to the black community. Now it’s just a mess and everybody is going to either look bad for associating with Kanye or look weak for disavowing him.

I think it was bad for Elon to suspend him though. Kind of shows that Elon saint as dedicated to free speech as he claimed. It’s not like praising Hitler needs to be some sacred like in the sand, I’m sure you can find praise for numerous murderous dictators across social media that are not censored but supported.
I wanted to vote for Kanye in 2024, but now I do not want him anywhere near politics.

He's proven unstable and easy to lead-on with lies, as well as an unwillingness to listen to those who say he is wrong about something.

Edit: And here's what really got him banned; harassing Musk in DMs.
 

Skallagrim

Well-known member
I also think we know for a fact that conservatives would never have gotten away with praising Franco or Pinochet — even though they were arguably less horrible and destructive than the average communist regime in the long run.
Not "arguably". Certainly. Communist regimes are the most unrepentantly murderous ones in human history. Literally only Hitler even comes close, and his ideology grew from the same totalitarian root.

Also not just "in the long run". Communist regimes are uniquely harmful in the long run, but are also the worst regimes to live under in the short term. Both Nazism and communism target specific groups of "enemies" they seek to exterminate, but if you aren't (say) a Jew or a Kulak but just "an ordinary guy" who has to live under one of these... you're probably still a little bit less screwed under Hitler than under Stalin or Mao. Because for the commies... the revolution is permanent. The purges are forever. The radicalism isn't an instrument, but a goal unto itself.


...On topic: if Musk is going to ban Nazis (which is an understandable desire), he should at least be consistent and ban all commie apologists, too. But I expect the adherents of history's most depraved ideology will once again get a free pass...
 

shangrila

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Unfortunately, praising nazis is actually illegal in big chunks of Europe while praising commies isn't, and Musk can't afford to wage war on the EU yet. At least until the EU openly declares war on him instead of just threatening.

Finding some excuse to ban Kanye that isn't explicitly the nazi support is probably the best compromise possible.
 

Lord Sovereign

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Not "arguably". Certainly. Communist regimes are the most unrepentantly murderous ones in human history. Literally only Hitler even comes close, and his ideology grew from the same totalitarian root.

I have very little doubt the Third Reich would have exceeded the USSR’s body count given time. What with the Final Solution, General Plan Ost, and so forth, they’d have butchered tens of millions; European Jewry, the Roma, and Slavdom itself would not have survived. It was the insanity of Marxism through a racial lens which if anything may have made it even more destructive.

Also, I don’t know of any communist government that implemented Action T4: the liquidation of the mentally disabled. They literally tricked families into handing their special needs children over so they could quietly murder them.

There’s just something so uniquely evil about Nazi Germany. And it is astonishing how God damn stupid Kanaye has been by batting for a regime that would have liquidated his people with glee.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Apologies if this is a derail, but just because I feel compelled to answer:

I have very little doubt the Third Reich would have exceeded the USSR’s body count given time. What with the Final Solution, General Plan Ost, and so forth, they’d have butchered tens of millions; European Jewry, the Roma, and Slavdom itself would not have survived. It was the insanity of Marxism through a racial lens which if anything may have made it even more destructive.

Also, I don’t know of any communist government that implemented Action T4: the liquidation of the mentally disabled. They literally tricked families into handing their special needs children over so they could quietly murder them.

There’s just something so uniquely evil about Nazi Germany. And it is astonishing how God damn stupid Kanaye has been by batting for a regime that would have liquidated his people with glee.

Mostly agreed, though I’d still add a few caveats here.

For one, while I agree that the Reich’s plans were more reprehensible in principle, the whole “Exterminate and enslave all non-Aryans everywhere!” thing tends to turn off most people — Aryans and non-Aryans alike — and unite them against you in the long run. As such, I’m pretty sure the Nazis would’ve made more enemies than friends over the ensuing decades, assuming their regime soldiered on long enough.

Communists, on the other hand, don’t have this problem, seeing as promises of workers’ solidarity and international brotherhood win over a much larger base than Nazism ever could. The downside is, this also means you get way more people willing to try it out, too — and the fact that communist regimes everywhere are on the same team making them harder to isolate and stamp out, unless they’re Juche or Khmer Rouge levels of batshit crazy. The result: more economic ruin, more oppression, and more mass-killings — much of it by accident or callous negligence instead of systematic extermination campaigns. In fact, I’d actually say a commie regime that kills millions of people without necessarily meaning to is almost scarier than a Third Reich that works tooth and nail to do the same, because at least the latter weren’t quite as cack-handed in governing “their own” as the former and had to try very hard to kill as many people as they did.

In short, I’d say that while Nazism is more evil, Communism is more dangerous, due both the Red Multiplier Effect and their tendency to stack up mountains of corpses both deliberately and through sheer incompetence, whereas the Reich’s body count was just about 100 percent them trying their hardest, rather than simply being negligent or stupid. But I digress too much.
 

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