EU Muslim beheads teacher for showing Mohammed cartoons in class.

[Harlock]

Maybe, they did get a bit carried away and the First Crusade at least morphed into some form of popular religious movement. It is notable however that the bulk of those motivated by religion got slaughtered in the first few battles and it ended up being the professional armies the Pope had called for in the first place that did the real work.

The religious aspect was good for morale and helped with the rank and file, but gold and power were always going to be the real pull. Fortune and glory

 

[Aldarion]

The religious aspect was good for morale and helped with the rank and file, but gold and power were always going to be the real pull. Fortune and glory

I disagree with the last bit. Yes, for many of them gold and power were the real pull. But that was mostly major lords. Rank-and-file were not so rich as to get obsessed with gold, and yet not so poor as to desperately need it.

And the fact is that, in middle ages, people believed their own religion. Modern materialistic-cynical explanation of "it was gold and power" is neither true to the spirit of the age nor sufficient to explain why the First Crusade had such a pull.

 

[Harlock]

I disagree with the last bit. Yes, for many of them gold and power were the real pull. But that was mostly major lords. Rank-and-file were not so rich as to get obsessed with gold, and yet not so poor as to desperately need it.

And the fact is that, in middle ages, people believed their own religion. Modern materialistic-cynical explanation of "it was gold and power" is neither true to the spirit of the age nor sufficient to explain why the First Crusade had such a pull.

The major lords were the only ones who mattered Without them you have nothing, the purely religious motivated force was worse than useless. Without those second sons and minor nobility looking for kingdoms of their own there is no Crusade.

 

[Tryglaw]

The major lords were the only ones who mattered Without them you have nothing, the purely religious motivated force was worse than useless. Without those second sons and minor nobility looking for kingdoms of their own there is no Crusade.

This. Peasants led by fanatical preachers got slaughtered and what few survived sold into slavery. The less is said about the Children's Crusade the better.

And the nobility went there for power, glory and wealth. Europe "ran out of lands" to bestow upon second and third sons, and the Levant was stupidly rich since trade routes for caravans from Europe to India and China went through there. And there was land for grabs, so...

 

[CarlManvers2019]

US is different. Its a Civic nationalism nation. Its all about Americanism there.

Europe is different.

Its not me dooming. Its just pure analysis.

Well, not all of Europe though...course I don’t think it will be nice being surrounded by other countries who hate you even for those few who manage to be very Anti-Far Left & Anti-Sharia Law

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Well, not all of Europe though...course I don’t think it will be nice being surrounded by other countries who hate you even for those few who manage to be very Anti-Far Left & Anti-Sharia Law

If you mean Eastern Europe? Possibly. The problem is as always is feminism. Its the killer that opens you up to the rest of leftism.

At any rate, I was specifically talking about West here in Context of Europe so Western Europe.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

If you mean Eastern Europe? Possibly. The problem is as always is feminism. Its the killer that opens you up to the rest of leftism.

At any rate, I was specifically talking about West here in Context of Europe so Western Europe.

I was saying there would be SOME parts of Western Europe will be able to reverse the trend.

But afterwards, they’ll essentially be surrounded by those who hate them and who won’t stop looking smug and trying to be well-spoken douchebags towards them

Reminds me, I think a good portion of Israel’s population was composed of Jews from other surrounding nations

 

[Aldarion]

The major lords were the only ones who mattered Without them you have nothing, the purely religious motivated force was worse than useless. Without those second sons and minor nobility looking for kingdoms of their own there is no Crusade.

This. Peasants led by fanatical preachers got slaughtered and what few survived sold into slavery. The less is said about the Children's Crusade the better.

And the nobility went there for power, glory and wealth. Europe "ran out of lands" to bestow upon second and third sons, and the Levant was stupidly rich since trade routes for caravans from Europe to India and China went through there. And there was land for grabs, so...

I was not talking about peasants when I mentioned "rank and file". Though it is true that lords were absolutely crucial for the Crusade, even in their case it is likely that exact motivations varied. These are Middle Ages, remember; you can't just reduce their motivations to "materialism hurr durr", even if for many of them riches and lands definitely did play a part.

 

[ATP]

I was not talking about peasants when I mentioned "rank and file". Though it is true that lords were absolutely crucial for the Crusade, even in their case it is likely that exact motivations varied. These are Middle Ages, remember; you can't just reduce their motivations to "materialism hurr durr", even if for many of them riches and lands definitely did play a part.

Yes.All nobles who lead first Crusade was rulers,no second sons,and they must pay for it from their own coffers.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Paris attack: Two Muslim woman are stabbed under the Eiffel Tower

French police have arrested two female suspects after an argument about dogs allegedly descended into violence racist insults including the words 'Dirty Arabs'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's escalating.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Paris attack: Two Muslim woman are stabbed under the Eiffel Tower

French police have arrested two female suspects after an argument about dogs allegedly descended into violence racist insults including the words 'Dirty Arabs'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's escalating.

Two Muslim women are stabbed under the Eiffel Tower by 'pair of white female attackers shouting 'Dirty Arabs' amid rising tensions in Paris after beheading of teacher for showing cartoons of Mohammed



Wow, if true, I have to give them credit for doing an action even if its wrong compared to European men who do nothing but simp and be emasculated.

However, women were the most vocal for calling for immigrants so I have doubts about this.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Two Muslim women are stabbed under the Eiffel Tower by 'pair of white female attackers shouting 'Dirty Arabs' amid rising tensions in Paris after beheading of teacher for showing cartoons of Mohammed



Wow, if true, I have to give them credit for doing an action even if its wrong compared to European men who do nothing but simp and be emasculated.

However, women were the most vocal for calling for immigrants so I have doubts about this.

Woman can at times do what the men can't sometimes especially the Trung sisters in starting a rebellion.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Woman can at times do what the men can't sometimes especially the Trung sisters in starting a rebellion.

Entirely possible. I'm not entirely discounting that women have done this. Just have some doubt but am willing to accept it as true with evidence.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I suspect they’ll have the book thrown at them. European governments absolutely intend on preventing their populations from resisting at all costs.

 

[Sailor.X]

Two Muslim women are stabbed under the Eiffel Tower by 'pair of white female attackers shouting 'Dirty Arabs' amid rising tensions in Paris after beheading of teacher for showing cartoons of Mohammed



Wow, if true, I have to give them credit for doing an action even if its wrong compared to European men who do nothing but simp and be emasculated.

However, women were the most vocal for calling for immigrants so I have doubts about this.

Sigh.... Dude two wrongs don't make a right. Don't do things you know God almighty would call you wicked for doing. And you need to stop praising violent actions. That shit is getting old and it makes you look like a horrible person as a result.

 

[Aldarion]

Sigh.... Dude two wrongs don't make a right. Don't do things you know God almighty would call you wicked for doing. And you need to stop praising violent actions. That shit is getting old and it makes you look like a horrible person as a result.

They can, depending on the wrongs. If somebody invades your homeland, you have right and duty to defend yourself, by any means necessary. When Ottomans burned Croatia, do you really think it was wrong to go into Ottoman territory and burn them right back? I would not say so.

 

[Arch Dornan]

These are Middle Ages, remember; you can't just reduce their motivations to "materialism hurr durr", even if for many of them riches and lands definitely did play a part.

Middle Ages to now certainly hasn't changed in persecution over wrong think. It's not like the St. Barthomelew's Day Massacre but if tensions are escalating that day may well come.

They can, depending on the wrongs. If somebody invades your homeland, you have right and duty to defend yourself, by any means necessary. When Ottomans burned Croatia, do you really think it was wrong to go into Ottoman territory and burn them right back? I would not say so.

Can the reconquista be considered as such? The reverse crusade that did suceed.

 

[Sailor.X]

They can, depending on the wrongs. If somebody invades your homeland, you have right and duty to defend yourself, by any means necessary. When Ottomans burned Croatia, do you really think it was wrong to go into Ottoman territory and burn them right back? I would not say so.

This is not an invasion situation. They were either immigrants or refugees. Both of which have clear details in both French and international law. And no you can't just kill someone if they are a non combatant. On the later note that is open warfare. And even then there are rules in war. You can't just do what you want and think you can get away with it.

 

[Aldarion]

This is not an invasion situation. They were either immigrants or refugees. Both of which have clear details in both French and international law. And no you can't just kill someone if they are a non combatant. On the later note that is open warfare. And even then there are rules in war. You can't just do what you want and think you can get away with it.

If they are immigrants, then they will accept laws and customs and culture of the country they have immigrated into. If they do not accept such, they are invaders. And while I do not support revenge killings of people who are completely unrelated of crimes revenge is being carried out for, I do think that people have to have the right of self-defense; prison and police are definitely inadequate in a multicultural society. EDIT: And regarding this event specifically, that depends on what exactly happened.

EDIT:

Middle Ages to now certainly hasn't changed in persecution over wrong think. It's not like the St. Barthomelew's Day Massacre but if tensions are escalating that day may well come.

If anything, Middle Ages might well turn out to be milder.

Can the reconquista be considered as such? The reverse crusade that did suceed.

Yes.

 

[Marduk]

Two Muslim women are stabbed under the Eiffel Tower by 'pair of white female attackers shouting 'Dirty Arabs' amid rising tensions in Paris after beheading of teacher for showing cartoons of Mohammed



Wow, if true, I have to give them credit for doing an action even if its wrong compared to European men who do nothing but simp and be emasculated.

However, women were the most vocal for calling for immigrants so I have doubts about this.

Sigh.... Dude two wrongs don't make a right. Don't do things you know God almighty would call you wicked for doing. And you need to stop praising violent actions. That shit is getting old and it makes you look like a horrible person as a result.

Read the article. It absolutely isn't some kind of planned reprisal attack.
The article only gives the Muslim women's perspective, which means that of course they didn't implicate themselves if they did something wrong, but from what they did say...
Basically they were in a park, and complained to the two European women about their dogs running around, because you know the business with Muslims and dogs.
According to the victims the women reacted with harsh language and a stabbing, but knowing such situations, its far from impossible that few escalation steps in this confrontation may have been omitted in their story.
It may turn into an even greater controversy if the alleged attackers come up with a good defense line and there are no reliable witnesses or video evidence.