Nazism Is Socialism

Scottty

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I’m sorry, but I think that the entire thing is ridiculous. It’s like the whole “leftists are the real racists” farce.

Leftist socialism is bad all on its own, it doesn’t need any guilt by association.

Indeed.
But pointing out that the ideology the Leftist is pushing, and the one he demonizes as the great evil, are in fact very, very similar, has some value.

This point was made by Richard Wurmbrand, a Romanian Baptist paster who had been imprisoned and mistreated by both the Romanian Fascists and the Communists.
Asked which was worse, he said that when he was being beaten up by the police in prison, the beatings hurt the same regardless of which ideology the people doing the beating claimed to be following.
It hurt a lot.
 

Simonbob

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I’m sorry, but I think that the entire thing is ridiculous. It’s like the whole “leftists are the real racists” farce.

Leftist socialism is bad all on its own, it doesn’t need any guilt by association.


Please note, raceism can be defined as "treating somebody differently on the basis of race."

Who's in favor of reverse racesm again?


So, yes, the Left are the real racests. They just don't care.
 

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So who is going to explain to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum how the Nazis aren't a Far-Right Political Party!?
The Nazi Party
What is your point?

The definition is debatable and built upon to improve a overall narrative, the truth is that fascism is a distantly related, yet distinct ideology which is neither truly 'right' nor 'left' wing due to a variety of reasons but still is far more related to Socialism than most others.

The political compass has always been skewered badly over the past few hundred years and definitions are constantly changing 'Classical Liberals' who were at one point the 'left' are now considered 'right' and not because they share roots with Nazism or indeed any similarities of any sort with that ideology, but because the new left has decided to be 'left' means being socialist oriented overall to some extent and since Classical Liberalism doesn't conform to the concept of complete state ownership or limitations on individual rights for the masses of the proletariat it's the enemy.

Similarly what makes the Nazis right wing? It genuinely boils down to two points half of the time.
  1. Nationalism: The argument that nationalism is inherently a 'right wing' and to it's credit this argument does hold credit when we see how the 'left' defines themselves as being starkly against that concept, but if being nationalist is the sole reason for being defined as a Nazi then we must accept that anyone and everyone who is Nationalist ultimately is also a Nazi by that definition and even then, it ignores historical communist and socialist figures like Castro and Tito among others who nobody in their right mind wouldn't say wasn't nationalist to some extent.
  2. Racism: To argue that racism is a inherently a 'right wing' thing is to also argue a fallacy to some extent there are countless examples of Socialist and Communist states in Latin America, Europe and Asia which were as racist as f*ck and didn't give a rat's ass for minorities despite the countless speeches held to the contrary before the UN. (Granted Nazism has Racism as a main platform while on the other end it isn't but my point stands that's a deviation/variation and it doesn't change the ultimate reality that racism isn't unique to the right.)
When you strip these two things away Nazism takes a different look one much more in line with the Soviets with a abet less direct control on the economy but still a grip of iron none the less.

The above shows how f*cked the political compass actually is. In a sane world government's would be ranked via an index like this.
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The above is neat shows how Fascism and Socialism are distinct yet dissimilar ideologies and yet doesn't shy away from the fact that the two meld authoritarianism quite willingly if prompted.
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Instead we always see people try to present it like this when the line of progression to that conclusion makes little to no sense.

So anybody arguing the age old argument of what is and isn't 'right wing' is a bit foolish because that's a game where the board was already set against you long before you were born into this world and going against it makes you the 'denier' (Because God forbid a right wing person associated with classical liberalism ever speak against being associated or forced to meld with a group like Nazi's in a big tent setting which makes no logical sense because someone pre-ordained is must be so.)

The only reason the Nazi's sit at the right wing side of the table is because they choose to make a mortal enemy out of the authoritarian socialist on the other end and have nowhere else to go to our eternal annoyance
 
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Aldarion

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So who is going to explain to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum how the Nazis aren't a Far-Right Political Party!?
The Nazi Party

And? Something that is incorrect is incorrect, even if it is being advocated by angels. And USHMM are definitely not angels. A lot of such organizations and individuals in fact merely use Holocaust to help promote the far-left political agenda, and don't care about Holocaust as such. But that is a whole another topic.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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So who is going to explain to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum how the Nazis aren't a Far-Right Political Party!?
The Nazi Party

You don't...you elect officials with enough balls to remove any federal funding it may receive and stipulate that a restoration thereof only comes with the correction that the Nazis were a weird reactionary leftist-nationalist pagan movement

Nationalizing Industry is, in fact, socialism though the degree certainly matters. Of your list, 10-18 and 20 are typical of socialist agenda, 10 out of 25 line items is pretty indicative that the degree is high.

If its just criminalizing foreign ownership of key economic sectors that'sess socialism and more protectionism, which while a very old school leftist tactic isn't exactly socialistic because it's still about private ownership.

Granted that wasn't what Hitler was all about, dude was all about that welfare state life.

I’m sorry, but I think that the entire thing is ridiculous. It’s like the whole “leftists are the real racists” farce.

Leftist socialism is bad all on its own, it doesn’t need any guilt by association.

They were a bunch of neopagans whose leader unironically called himself an SJW.pol Pot style and while using it to try and shame the left will never work because the left has no shame?

Using their own standards against them and this as a pretext to mock the hell out of them does work.
 
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Navarro

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What is your point?

The definition is debatable and built upon to improve a overall narrative, the truth is that fascism is a distantly related, yet distinct ideology which is neither truly 'right' nor 'left' wing due to a variety of reasons but still is far more related to Socialism than most others.

The political compass has always been skewered badly over the past few hundred years and definitions are constantly changing 'Classical Liberals' who were at one point the 'left' are now considered 'right' and not because they share roots with Nazism or indeed any similarities of any sort with that ideology, but because the new left has decided to be 'left' means being socialist oriented overall to some extent and since Classical Liberalism doesn't conform to the concept of complete state ownership or limitations on individual rights for the masses of the proletariat it's the enemy.

Similarly what makes the Nazis right wing? It genuinely boils down to two points half of the time.
  1. Nationalism: The argument that nationalism is inherently a 'right wing' and to it's credit this argument does hold credit when we see how the 'left' defines themselves as being starkly against that concept, but if being nationalist is the sole reason for being defined as a Nazi then we must accept that anyone and everyone who is Nationalist ultimately is also a Nazi by that definition and even then, it ignores historical communist and socialist figures like Castro and Tito among others who nobody in their right mind wouldn't say wasn't nationalist to some extent.
  2. Racism: To argue that racism is a inherently a 'right wing' thing is to also argue a fallacy to some extent there are countless examples of Socialist and Communist states in Latin America, Europe and Asia which were as racist as f*ck and didn't give a rat's ass for minorities despite the countless speeches held to the contrary before the UN. (Granted Nazism has Racism as a main platform while on the other end it isn't but my point stands that's a deviation/variation and it doesn't change the ultimate reality that racism isn't unique to the right.)

Everything else that's argued makes them not "true socialism" would also make the following states not "true socialism": USSR (Lenin's NEP allowing for private industry and investment, concentration camps, antisemitism, opposition to non-State labour unions); PRC (glorification of agrarianism, China's Dengist switch to capitalism, propaganda against intellectuals, concentration camps); Khmer Rouge (glorification of agrarianism, concentration camps, death camps), etc.

As was said in the other thread, if what's needed to make Nazism "not really socialism" is also shared by other socialist regimes ...

There's also the silly concept of treating Marxism as the be-all-end-all of socialist ideology, when it existed before him, has somewhat moved away from him in the past decades, and wasn't even really strictly followed by the revolutionaries who tried to put Marxist theory into practice.
 
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The Immortal Watch Dog

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There's also the silly concept of treating Marxism as the be-all-end-all of socialist ideology, when it existed before him, has been somewhat moved away from him in the past decades, and wasn't even really strictly followed by the revolutionaries who tried to put Marxist theory into practice.

Case in point, the eternal enemy that we now face in the west- the deconstructivist thinking of the Ftench revolution.

Iirc didn't Evola also move try and move socialism away from Marx?
 

ShieldWife

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That isn’t George Soros.

When the Nazis were defeated, George Soros was 14 years old. The guy in the picture is likely older than that, plus here is a picture of George Soros when he was kinda young, not that young, but young enough that you can see his facial structure and it’s completely different:

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Also, even if that picture was George Soros and they had forced him to become a Nazi, he would have been at most 14 at the time and not responsible for what he was forced to do. It wouldn’t morally reflect upon him as an adult nor would it reflect upon any of the leftist causes he supports.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not fan of George Soros, but let’s criticize him based on what he actually does and not what he might have been forced to do in his early teens.
 

edgeworthy

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The dude informed on his fellow Jews and shared in part of the profit.

14 or not.

He is a blood traitor
However, posting a picture of what is actually Unterscharführer Oskar Gröning , who was a junior bookeeper at Auschwitz does no one any favours. (And is in itself Blood Libel)
Viral Meme Misidentifies Nazi Guard as Soros - FactCheck.org

He tried to get out of working in the Camp. And successfully applied for a posting to the frontline.

Gröning was not charged with anything after the war. And is famous for speaking out as an expression of his disgust at Holocaust Denial!
(He was rather belatedly charged as an accessory, at the age of 93)
 

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However, posting a picture of what is actually Unterscharführer Oskar Gröning , who was a junior bookeeper at Auschwitz does no one any favours. (And is in itself Blood Libel)
Viral Meme Misidentifies Nazi Guard as Soros - FactCheck.org

He tried to get out of working in the Camp. And successfully applied for a posting to the frontline.

Gröning was not charged with anything after the war. And is famous for speaking out as an expression of his disgust at Holocaust Denial!
(He was rather belatedly charged as an accessory, at the age of 93)
This. As much as I hate Soros that meme needs to die, because it isn't him in the SS Uniform but another individual entirely, trying to pawn it off as him makes us seem ignorant.

Soros has enough sins to account for, that photo isn't one of them.
 

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