Nowa Polska

[Batrix2070]

Cool

1880

So the war started in 1880 and ended in 1884? Ironically that at the same time, that is, 1883-1884, the January Uprising broke out in Congress Poland. Given that here the existence of a real Poland, I guess that the idea of Wielopolski is at work, and to all Poles dissatisfied with his loyalist policies he says, look at the New Poland! She needs you right now! Go there to fight to save what we have left. In this way, we avoid an unnecessary uprising and thus the terror of the long night, and Poles will remember this period of the decade of the glory of the Polish arms.

Kazimierz Bartel.

A randomly selected Prime Minister? Or was he simply born earlier? OTL known Kazimierz Bartel was born in 1882(sic!).

We sent our troops to march north confident in victory. We didn't include nearly enough food, supplies, or medical personal or even the right clothing for jungle fighting. The vast majority of troops sent in that first wave ended up being killed by disease, thirst, or hunger. The remainder were but pale reflections when they arrived in polish territory.

There were no survivors.

We then sent another larger group of men, they got lost and ended up attacking a brazilian town and burning it down to the ground by mistake.

In the third attempt our men went along the coast we had decided that attacking through polands soft under belly was not the wisest decision. But it was a long journey and our men arrived to the Polish boarders tired and exausted, the Poles attacked during the night and destroyed the armies food supply. The Poles fought like men possessed our exausted troops were routed and fled, with out the food many did not survive the journey back home.

Brazilians: why numerical superiority doesn't work on them!
Russians and Germans: First Time?

And there going back, for another nation it would have been an epic David vs. Goliath victory, for the Poles it was Tuesday. Although this Tuesday was much easier than previous such Tudesday.

the polish ships were often smaller but were ironclads

The question is whether Bought or made by Poles because why not?

The americans had arrived.

Cavalry has arrived Boys!

Amapa

Me: I shouldn't laugh.
Also Me: But a silly name.

Explaining, in Polish, Amapa, it sounds as if some explorer was looking for a name for the region only to hear a drunk sailor shouting that he had found a map. Which is to say: A, mapa!

But less, coming back to the region, if in French Guiana the New Poles managed to cram 2 million people in round numbers, when today OTL there are 10 times less, i.e. 200,000, how many people will there be in this new region (New Lithuania? Amapa in Polish sounds very silly) when today there are more than 600,000? (Though surely there were about a couple of thousand then, since back in the 1970s there were about 100 people there).
Surely New Lithuania (Mazovia, or better New Greater Poland!*) will be a damn useful piece of land because of the iron and magnam deposits there.

*Why? Because the Polish names Wielkopolska and Małopolska derive from Latin i.e. Polonia Major and Polonia Minior larger and smaller respectively, and French Guyama is smaller so it should be New Małopolska (Little Poland) and Amapa, because of its size, New Wielkopolska (Greater Poland).

 

[bintananth]

The americans had arrived.

Totally in character for American policy of the time ...

Just between Brazil and Nowa Polska? "None of our business."

Germany openly siding with Brazil?
"Oh hell no, you didn't just do that."

 

[ATP]

So,now we have bigger Poland with friendly USA and Brasil.
But,@Cherico - more important,how Russia reacted to Bismarck conqering germany? becouse if they joined Austria and get beaten,then it could change History.

 

[Cherico]

So,now we have bigger Poland with friendly USA and Brasil.
But,@Cherico - more important,how Russia reacted to Bismarck conqering germany? becouse if they joined Austria and get beaten,then it could change History.

Things in europe more or less when OTL because new Poland is pretty much completly irrelevant on the international stage. Other then some polish criminals and revolutionaries being shipped off and polish revolts being less intense then OTL with some not happening not much has changed.

Honestly the biggest change is that the Russians got spanked when they tried to invade france. The changes come later.

 

[ATP]

Things in europe more or less when OTL because new Poland is pretty much completly irrelevant on the international stage. Other then some polish criminals and revolutionaries being shipped off and polish revolts being less intense then OTL with some not happening not much has changed.

Honestly the biggest change is that the Russians got spanked when they tried to invade france. The changes come later.

So,Russia do not try defend Austria in 1866? pity,their infrantry still partially used old smoothbore muskets.It would be funny to send them against prussians.
And,more importantly,made them hate Berlin.

 

[Cherico]

Kazimierz Bartel



"In the interest of peaceful relations between Brazil and Poland after the disaster caused by the traitors who usurped our country we reconize the reperation's paid to the Polish people for the unwarented and unlawful act of aggression performed by said traitors and hope that now that the legitiment rulers of Brazil are back that we can both heal and once again have good relations."

It helped I suppose that the Royalists were hanging every member of the former regieme that they could get their hands on.

"What do you think?"

"I see no reason why Poland can not move on from the war. The Royal family has always been a friend of the Poles and since they are not pushing us on the new boarders I see no reason why we shouldn't normalize relations."

"We will send the message."

I looked at the reports the world watched our fight with the Brazilians little Poland the last Remnant of it had beaten the brazilian goliath. Countries that had previously ignored us now wanted to talk to us. Oportunities were opening, in my opinion the biggest one was the united states.

In truth our resentment of them was ill founded yes this land wasn't of the best quality but it was something and the american's had gifted it to us as an act of kindness. Its only now when we came so close to losing it all that we appreciated it and america did come in to rescue us.

It was time for a reset of the relationship for so long we had kept relations limited but in my opinion that was a mistake. The Americans were a flighty bunch but if an alliance could be secured then that might be enough to defeat our enemies. I looked at other letters.

The real winner well besides us were the French. The queens husband was french and thier influence while limited by the yankees at least officially had grown, and they were sending out feelers. We had quite the inteligence network among the austrians, the germans and the russians and they dispised germany.

Sooner or later another war would come and there would be a chance to regain what had been stolen from us. I started writing letters the war was over for now it was time to capitalize on our victory and plant the seeds of our return.

 

[ATP]

I read memories of Hipolit Korwin-Milewski,polish gentry who had big influence in Petersburg - he could become one of such agents after 1905,when he becomed influential member of Duma.
He was polish patriot - but knew,that another uprising would fail.So,he cooperated making deals,money,and influence among Russians.
Dmowski here could be another.

 

[Cherico]

Hipolit Korwin-Milewski



We can't win a direct fight.

Not by ourselves that was the lesson of the last revolt, but we can win a indirect one. I look at the information and I put it on a table its picked up by some one else. Tensions in europe were growing, but the biggest issue was how the effects of the war against japan was going.

It was a Russian defeat a bad russian defeat, our friends in the new world were using their influence to ensure a worse outcome for Russia. Could this cause a revolution? Our forces were not ready for a revoltion and with out a outside backer there was no way we could keep it. The smuggled in ammo cache's from the freeland's wasn't yet matched by actual guns.

I sat in the Duma.

"The results of the negiotations are over the Japanese do not have to pay reperations, but they do have to buy out our claim over Sakhalin which will be sold to the japanese, likewise the Kurel islands the southern ones will belong to japan."

A compromise then, the loss of Sakhalin would box in the Russian pacific fleet, I kept my face cold and with out emotion. I looked for more information that could be used to make the way for our peoples freedom. The Duma for its part signed the document there were feelings of humilation but this was honestly a far outcome for a lost war.

I would later find out the Japanese were enraged about the outcome with several cities rioting over well having to pay to buy the russians out. Childish in my opinion very childish, they at least their country wasn't being occupied and they had expanded their gains. To riot after you win was a mark against them at least they gained something.

Still I didn't know that at the time and I went around.

"I think we all need a stiff drink after this."

The russian reply to any issue was vodka, if they were happy they drank, if they were sad they drink if warm drink if cold drink, drinking away your problems appealed to them and I supplied them all keeping myself and my group drinking only warm tea as we took in conversation.

All of us looking for the information that would lead to these mens downfalls as words came out of loose lips. I hoped there would be enough of them to sink their entire navy.

 

[ATP]

In this TL it would happen.Many poles made money in Russia - especially in Baku - you could use them,too.
I try find name of dude who lived there and first started undersea oil industry.

 

[ATP]

I found him.Witold Zglenicki,genius who help create Baku.Unfortunatelly,died in 1904 - but left fundation to pay for edycation of polish children.Soviets,of course,stolen money.
Here,some of that money would go to Nowa Polska.

Other - Henryk Merczyng/died in 1916/-

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwinuqyZhuv7AhW6DRAIHQzXBP8QFnoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHenryk_Merczyng&usg=AOvVaw1g_8B8XKNQNwXPVFyHTu8C

He could certainly hepl Nowa Polska,if they plan to buy pipelines,or anything involved hydraulics and optics.

I try to find more useful inventors.

P.S Hipolit Korwin -Milewski had contact with aristocrats from most of Europe,which included A-H,Germany and France.
He certainly could use their info for Poland.
And,he was old gentry,but very practical - he was succesful landowner,becouse he knew how to made land profitable,and how banks are working.
He laugh at polish gentry and aristocrats who do not innovate on their lands.


When he once meet Piłsudzki,he advised him to copy germans and made efficient state which would help people/roads,schools,no corruption etc/ and then everybody,including minorities,would be loyal.
Piłsudzki,according to him,do not undarstandt that - becouse for him politics mean taking all important offices for loyal to him.
That,how he fucked olish economy and military after putch in 1926 - loyal soldiers rarely are competent as beurocrats.

 

[ATP]

Hipolit Korwin-Milewski



We can't win a direct fight.

Not by ourselves that was the lesson of the last revolt, but we can win a indirect one. I look at the information and I put it on a table its picked up by some one else. Tensions in europe were growing, but the biggest issue was how the effects of the war against japan was going.

It was a Russian defeat a bad russian defeat, our friends in the new world were using their influence to ensure a worse outcome for Russia. Could this cause a revolution? Our forces were not ready for a revoltion and with out a outside backer there was no way we could keep it. The smuggled in ammo cache's from the freeland's wasn't yet matched by actual guns.

I sat in the Duma.

"The results of the negiotations are over the Japanese do not have to pay reperations, but they do have to buy out our claim over Sakhalin which will be sold to the japanese, likewise the Kurel islands the southern ones will belong to japan."

A compromise then, the loss of Sakhalin would box in the Russian pacific fleet, I kept my face cold and with out emotion. I looked for more information that could be used to make the way for our peoples freedom. The Duma for its part signed the document there were feelings of humilation but this was honestly a far outcome for a lost war.

I would later find out the Japanese were enraged about the outcome with several cities rioting over well having to pay to buy the russians out. Childish in my opinion very childish, they at least their country wasn't being occupied and they had expanded their gains. To riot after you win was a mark against them at least they gained something.

Still I didn't know that at the time and I went around.

"I think we all need a stiff drink after this."

The russian reply to any issue was vodka, if they were happy they drank, if they were sad they drink if warm drink if cold drink, drinking away your problems appealed to them and I supplied them all keeping myself and my group drinking only warm tea as we took in conversation.

All of us looking for the information that would lead to these mens downfalls as words came out of loose lips. I hoped there would be enough of them to sink their entire navy.

I found two saints,who could help:
1.blessed Markiewicz - lived till 1912,created many places to teach children useful crafts and religion.He was good catholics,but also practical - he teached what children need in life.
And,which is not covered by wiki,his friend had vision of Angel of Poland who saw free Poland after great war,and belived in it.
Here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiAvarPz_f7AhX9BxAIHSDKC4wQFnoECBIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBronis%25C5%2582aw_Markiewicz&usg=AOvVaw1qS8UZG8CUk3I7MpGFLcDx

Second - bishop Józef Pelczar,lived till 1924.He also,except being devout catholic,helped teach poor children useful Crafts.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi_1IjR0ff7AhUuxosKHVqVAzcQFnoECBcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJ%25C3%25B3zef_Sebastian_Pelczar&usg=AOvVaw3I34nB17IFzrsU92bQ0OG7

Both could be useful,becouse Markiewicz leaved new order,who was teaching children/michealici/,so even after his death they would still help.

Inventors - next time.

P.S In OTL Dmowski relied on russian victory to achieve polish vassal state.
Piłsudzki relied on A-H for the same.

Here,both,or at least one of them,could play for Nowa Polska cosplaing as loyal russian/austrian servants.

P.S.S - Hipolit Korwin-Milewski - even in OTL,he observed then russian military do not seriously fought germans,becous most generals were germans.As a result,they lost in East Prussia,and in the same year the same general who let Samsonow die in Prusia let 16 germans dyvisions run from encirclment.

New Polska could use that knowledge.

 

[Cherico]

Witold university



Created in 1887 Witold university was founded by Witold Zglenicki a visionary. The university is one of the best techical universities in south america with a focus on practical engineering. This is not unusual in New Poland which has always focused on more practical pursuits and has often neglected the humanities. Still It remains the single best university in south america.

The university like most universities in New Poland was built to harken back to the glory days of the polish empire. Instead of the neo classical style preferred in north america. New Poland attempted to build up their buildings in a castle style. Both for the ease of defense and as a way to to remember ones roots. While those outside of the country decried the buildings style as horribly old fashioned, out of date and un progressive these days the university is regarded well as an example of the neo polish style. New buildings are built in accordance with the foundational style something that has greatly enraged several construction companies who wanted to build some thing that looked more modern.

 

[Cherico]

Joseph Joffre-French General

We knew that the Germans were coming.

The Poles had spent years infiltrating Germany with spies, no generations of placing in spies, they had firmly compromised Germanies inteligence networks to the point we knew who all of the German spies were. We knew and understood that their plan was to attack us through Belgium defeat France quickly and then turn around and attack Russia.

The Germans had more people, they had more industry, this was true but they also had more enemies. We couldn't afford to dirty our name in Belgium they were very attached to their neutrality, but the Poles could act in ways we could not and had placed cells all around Belgium when the order came in the dark of night these cells blew up every single train track they could.

They wreaked Belgium's rail lines in a single night, that pretty much saved us. The second thing was that the Belgians decided to fight and the germans just didn't expect that. The loss of all that rail slowed them down, it made them slower and when they reached the boarder we were ready for them.

The surprise and shock allowed us to force them back a bit liberating a tiny piece of Belgium. The Tiny city of Veurne would become the home of the royal family and the temporary capital of Belgium for the duration of the great war. Germany would of course try to take the capital mulitiple times and fail every time.

But our attempts likewise failed, and as the shock war off the red lines of the first year were settled. The western red line, would become the trenches the nightmare world that held off the hun and his forces. I shudder to think what would have happened if we were not warned what would have happened if the Poles hadn't blown the rail lines. I think the hun would have made it into France itself, he may have made it into Paris.

But there was not a repeat of the last humilation, and The British came with their empire to help. The red line would hold for the duration of the war. Both sides fruitlessly trying to move it. It was a horrible war an ugly war and though the british never gave the Poles credit for it, it would have been so much uglier with out their help.

 

[ATP]

Witold university



Created in 1887 Witold university was founded by Witold Zglenicki a visionary. The university is one of the best techical universities in south america with a focus on practical engineering. This is not unusual in New Poland which has always focused on more practical pursuits and has often neglected the humanities. Still It remains the single best university in south america.

The university like most universities in New Poland was built to harken back to the glory days of the polish empire. Instead of the neo classical style preferred in north america. New Poland attempted to build up their buildings in a castle style. Both for the ease of defense and as a way to to remember ones roots. While those outside of the country decried the buildings style as horribly old fashioned, out of date and un progressive these days the university is regarded well as an example of the neo polish style. New buildings are built in accordance with the foundational style something that has greatly enraged several construction companies who wanted to build some thing that looked more modern.

Yes,he would do so in this TL.And neogothic is good for warm climate.
Another useful inventors:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiwqou38P77AhUtmYsKHTVgBqgQFnoECBcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJan_Czochralski&usg=AOvVaw3c3G7jN-XeRRdx8LyQ-6lU

Jan Czochralski,except what wiki said,also made invention which lead to electronic microscope

Another - Jan Szczepanik,they do not mentioned,that he mostly developed weaving methods,and created early tv/telektroskop/,which never was mass produced.

Here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj4mp2Q8_77AhVXmosKHUU4A6EQFnoECBIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJan_Szczepanik&usg=AOvVaw0FVBnT_APFUPyR2GH9W_jw

About warning french - yes,they would do that.
Back to Hipoit Korwin-Milewski - he descriped kind of aristocratic mafia,where all important families from entire Europe helped each other,even if they belonged to country which fight them.
During WW2 thanks to that many polish aristocrad was saved from death,when germans captured them.

Do not worked for soviets,wonder why?

 

[Cherico]

Sir Francis Davies- British General



Quite simply put, the British diplomatic services hated the Poles.

They were seen as bitter losers who used underhanded means to expand their strength and could never get over their old grudge. They saw them as pests who selfishly disrupted the peace of europe. The fact that Polish goods competed with ours in latin america was a factor. The fact that they more or less openly used a spy network was another. They sold their intel to any one who might give them back their lost homeland in europe.

They would work with any one who would give them that chance and any time they could aggitate a war between the countries that occupied their former lands they did so, ineffectually yes because of their weakness but they did so. The French of course had a different atitude, they saw them as a resilent people who were willing to rebuild from set back after set back, and other portions of the british government had some respect.

But not the diplomatic services, the diplomatic services picked favorites like the Arabs and picked objects of loathing like the poles. This was something that predated the great war. When the war happened yes Polish agents did strike they had been waiting and the diplomatic service was instantly in a rage about polish treachery.

The problem was with out those strikes the Germans would have been able to get into France proper and everybody knows it. Blowing up those rail lines gave the French, the Beligans and us as well the valuable time we needed to mobalize and hold off the hun. With out them and their efforts the hun would have taken the whole of Belgium and maybe even taken France its self.

The Polish Government in the new world quickly declared for the entant and offered the help of their navy and army for the conflict, and opened up their ports for allied bases. The diplomatic services noted of course that a well armed Polish uprising took place the moment the Germans turned their eyes to the west. An uprising that had smuggled american arms that had been cached for years and were more advanced then the pitiful weapontry the Russians were equipted with.

The German army and the Polish uprising was very quickly able to kick the Russians out pushing them even out of their baltic holdings, establishing the eastern red line. The Huns innabilty to pick east or west froze the conflict for the first year as the Russians threw themselves against a growing trench line to the east.

To the diplomatic services it very much looked like double dealing. In the west the Poles were our allies in the east they were the huns allies. Of course the Poles of new Poland claimed that they were the true Poles and the eastern forces were collaberators, and the eastern Poles claimed likewise, but we honestly saw it as the double dealing that it was.

The Hun saw it too not trusting any Pole to fight on the western front. In my experience however the poles were damned good fighters, and were brave and helped hold the line more then once, I was glad to have them. Of course a fighting man doesn't control the peace and when the war was over I was quite certain the diplomats would make a pigs ear of everything.

 

[ATP]

Joseph Joffre-French General

We knew that the Germans were coming.

The Poles had spent years infiltrating Germany with spies, no generations of placing in spies, they had firmly compromised Germanies inteligence networks to the point we knew who all of the German spies were. We knew and understood that their plan was to attack us through Belgium defeat France quickly and then turn around and attack Russia.

The Germans had more people, they had more industry, this was true but they also had more enemies. We couldn't afford to dirty our name in Belgium they were very attached to their neutrality, but the Poles could act in ways we could not and had placed cells all around Belgium when the order came in the dark of night these cells blew up every single train track they could.

They wreaked Belgium's rail lines in a single night, that pretty much saved us. The second thing was that the Belgians decided to fight and the germans just didn't expect that. The loss of all that rail slowed them down, it made them slower and when they reached the boarder we were ready for them.

The surprise and shock allowed us to force them back a bit liberating a tiny piece of Belgium. The Tiny city of Veurne would become the home of the royal family and the temporary capital of Belgium for the duration of the great war. Germany would of course try to take the capital mulitiple times and fail every time.

But our attempts likewise failed, and as the shock war off the red lines of the first year were settled. The western red line, would become the trenches the nightmare world that held off the hun and his forces. I shudder to think what would have happened if we were not warned what would have happened if the Poles hadn't blown the rail lines. I think the hun would have made it into France itself, he may have made it into Paris.

But there was not a repeat of the last humilation, and The British came with their empire to help. The red line would hold for the duration of the war. Both sides fruitlessly trying to move it. It was a horrible war an ugly war and though the british never gave the Poles credit for it, it would have been so much uglier with out their help.

Another useful person -Józef Dowbór-Muśnicki.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiUmsDJuoH8AhWVyYsKHT2TDKsQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJ%25C3%25B3zef_Dowbor-Mu%25C5%259Bnicki&usg=AOvVaw33zB2WFBij4P_kuvRimclQ

In OTL he was commander of one polish corp made in Russia after first revolution.He defeated soviets,but must surrender to germans.
But - polish nationalists try to create 13 such corps/390.000/ ,which was blocked by polish socialists and Piłsudzki supporters.
Let assume,that those corps was created,and fought both soviets and germans till 1918.
Poland would have 400.000 strong army as a result.

And - maybe we would have more united politics,thanks to Nowa Polska pragmatism.

P.S Yes,double dealing.It would be nice,if Dmowski and Piłsudzki in 1918 declared,that they are both Nowa Polska officers,and always were.

 

[bintananth]

P.S Yes,double dealing.

Of course, and very pragmatic on the Poles part. In the end there will almost certainly be an independant Poland in Europe regardless of which side comes out on top at the end the Poles are on the winning side with a seat at the negociating table.

"Flip a coin. Heads: I win. Tails: you lose."

 

[ATP]

Of course, and very pragmatic on the Poles part. In the end there will almost certainly be an independant Poland in Europe regardless of which side comes out on top at the end the Poles are on the winning side with a seat at the negociating table.

"Flip a coin. Heads: I win. Tails: you lose."

Difference from OTL - Dmowski seriously supported Russia,andPiłsudzki germans,becouse they prefered polish vassal state to no Poland at all.Here,both could work for Nowa Polska.

P.S i remember memories of some polish aristocrat/forget name/ which served in tsar guard calvary regiment as officer.
According to him,Revolutions were possible becouse of massive fuck-up or russian goverments:

1.First revolution started,when workers in Petersburg do not geed bread - becouse goverment stopped delivery.
They wanted revolution to crush it with infrantry guard units - which instead supported workers.

2.Why infrantry guard units supported workers? they were no old soldiers loyal to tsar,but fresh conspricts.
Why? loyal guard was send after Brusiłow offensive in frontal attack on german fortified positions,with little artllery support.
In one case,they were ordered to attack in column bridge among swamps,on one road.And they did it.
Result - in 3 days,3 dyvisions died.
It look,like russian generals killed them on purpose.

3.There still were loyla calvary regiments - but,they were send out of Petersburg.

That is how tsar lost power.

Later Kiereński could finish off Lenin and his gang - but refused to do so,and even let soviet agitators go to all army units,instead of just schoot them.
Result - Lenin Revolution win.

So,both revolutions happened ONLY becouse both tsar generals and Kiereński later were incompetent.

But now,when we could have 400.000 strong polish army in Russia,bolsheviks could be crushed.
And,if that army hold East front - even on Dniepr or Don rivers - it still help Allies,and Poland would be in Versaile with much stronger position.

 

[bintananth]

@ATP, @Cherico

In this TL I can see someone from Nowa Polska like my great-grandfather arising. He grew up hearing his grandfather's stories of what "The Lightning Brigade" did during the US Civil War and led under-equipped French Colonials during WWI.

He might quickly figure out infiltration/stormtrooper tactics and be screaming at the Nowa Polska government to make sure their units were equipped with plenty of pump action shotguns like the Model 1897 Winchester (i.e.: "Trench Gun" or "Street Sweeper").

 

[ATP]

@ATP, @Cherico

In this TL I can see someone from Nowa Polska like my great-grandfather arising. He grew up hearing his grandfather's stories of what "The Lightning Brigade" did during the US Civil War and led under-equipped French Colonials during WWI.

He might quickly figure out infiltration/stormtrooper tactics and be screaming at the Nowa Polska government to make sure their units were equipped with plenty of pump action shotguns like the Model 1897 Winchester (i.e.: "Trench Gun" or "Street Sweeper").

That ,and LMG.Denmark made some good model,Madsen i think.