On Masculinity and the concept of a Gentleman

[Deleted member 88]

Hilariously if you act like a man women will be all over you. "The Nice Guys" dont seem to grok this.

Nice guys have no model for how to make themselves attractive. Its not so much their niceness, as it is their utter lack of spark or interesting-ness.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Nice guys have no model for how to make themselves attractive. Its not so much their niceness, as it is their utter lack of spark or interesting-ness.

Sure but that's why I put nice guys in quotes.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Which is why men shouldn't focus on women or sex. Have a personality, your own interests, tastes, etc...

The gentlemen knows how to behave in public but he isn't interchangeable with every other man.

He reads, he forms his own beliefs, he thinks for himself, he has his particular interests, as well as things he dislikes.

He has a great level of self actualization.

If your only appeal to women is-"uh I'm normal and nice", then yes she's going to choose the bad boy every time. The bad boy is at least half interesting.

Nice guys have no model for how to make themselves attractive. Its not so much their niceness, as it is their utter lack of spark or interesting-ness.

Sure. But I do think that said men do have some interests but said interests mean nothing to said women. Society has created a generation of men like this.

Society demands men to be nice and respectful of women aka don't defy them, obey them, don't fight back and be ready to hand over money to them.

There is talk of how women spend the money while men accumulate it. Hence the goal for corpos is to transfer wealth from men to women so that said women will spend it all fueling the corpos.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Which isn't actual chivalry, its servility. A man who just yups up whatever a woman says is not going to win her respect.

That's fairly simple.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Which isn't actual chivalry, its servility. A man who just yups up whatever a woman says is not going to win her respect.

That's fairly simple.

Which goes right back to my post here:

I have heard RedPillers as in the Red Pill of Dating and so on that talked about how single mothers destroyed their sons by making their sons be someone who is reliable and submissive and easily walked over by them so that said sons will always remain as a source of funds and resources and this leads to said sons when older being walked all over by women and happy to throw thousands away for said women.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Which isn't actual chivalry, its servility. A man who just yups up whatever a woman says is not going to win her respect.

That's fairly simple.

Chivalry requires strength it's a prerequisite. You must have the ability to be insanely violent if needed. The chivalrous part is restraining that violence.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Gender stereotypes now essentially consist of the the worst aspects mankind have to offer. I'm truly beginning to believe that humans are low level sentience.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I think the trick with women, that a lot of "nice guys" don't get, is to vigorously be yourself whilst getting your body in shape and mixing in a bit of self discipline. Think though your beliefs, stand by them, embrace your hobbies, and you become a three dimensional character with his own strengths and weaknesses instead of a coomer ball of lard to be pitied. Also, learn how to distinguish thots from the rest of the crowd, and patrol them. You won't settle for a one night stand with the first girl who throws themselves at you. You want an actual relationship. You will have displayed strength and self control, and that makes worthwhile women wetter than the Pacific Ocean (exaggeration, I know, but you get the gist). They'll approach you then.

I say this as a twenty-three year old Aspie who has never so much as held a girl's hand. I'm completely fucked (or lack thereof!) but it's not too late for other lads.

 

[Lanmandragon]

I think the trick with women, that a lot of "nice guys" don't get, is to vigorously be yourself whilst getting your body in shape and mixing in a bit of self discipline. Think though your beliefs, stand by them, embrace your hobbies, and you become a three dimensional character with his own strengths and weaknesses instead of a coomer ball of lard to be pitied. Also, learn how to distinguish thots from the rest of the crowd, and patrol them. You won't settle for a one night stand with the first girl who throws themselves at you. You want an actual relationship. You will have displayed strength and self control, and that makes worthwhile women wetter than the Pacific Ocean (exaggeration, I know, but you get the gist). They'll approach you then.

I say this as a twenty-three year old Aspie who has never so much as held a girl's hand. I'm completely fucked (or lack thereof!) but it's not too late for other lads.

Nah you can have (can not should) have one nighters. The main issue there is fools confuse women and hoes. There's a saying that you cant make a hoe a housewife. Where alot of dudes even those good with women mess up. Is they try to do just that consider that many if not most gentlemen. Had concubines and or mistresses the difference being. That most of them realized that thier mistress wasnt wife material.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Gender stereotypes now essentially consist of the the worst aspects mankind have to offer. I'm truly beginning to believe that humans are low level sentience.

Leftism never got rid of stereotypes. Infact, they rigidly enforce stereotypes. Just stereotypes they approve of. Like all men are evil.

 

[Scottty]

Leftism never got rid of stereotypes. Infact, they rigidly enforce stereotypes. Just stereotypes they approve of. Like all men are evil.

Leftism generally seems to view the world in very simplistic and superficial terms. There tends to be something quite childish about it. "Why won't you give me what I want? That's not fair! I hate you!"
And of course, projecting that same infantile mindset on others.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

I've never understood how some people twist "gentleman" into something that's anti-masculine. I blame the anti-Intellectualism and celebration of ignorance that's rampant in this country; that somehow being unhealthy, obnoxious, belligerent, and shunning the learned is "true" masculinity.

It's France. They started this whole "the true Man is a cuck" thing.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Eh? I mean the attitude in France is that being a gentlemen just means not putting your hand in your back pocket and having a refined taste in wine, and if your wife cheats, you just look the other way with your mistress the maid.

French bourgeois society has always valued conflict avoidance when gender relations were concerned. Best to avoid the drama of scandal by looking the other way.

Simply because you know your wines and don’t put your hands above your rear, doesn’t make you a gentleman. It just means you aren’t classed as trashy or low class.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Eh? I mean the attitude in France is that-

-if your wife cheats, you just look the other way

Cuckoldry, thats exactly what I fucking said.

 

[Navarro]

I say this as a twenty-three year old Aspie who has never so much as held a girl's hand. I'm completely fucked (or lack thereof!) but it's not too late for other lads.

I mean, that kind of mentality is in large part the problem.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I think the trick with women, that a lot of "nice guys" don't get, is to vigorously be yourself whilst getting your body in shape and mixing in a bit of self discipline. Think though your beliefs, stand by them, embrace your hobbies, and you become a three dimensional character with his own strengths and weaknesses instead of a coomer ball of lard to be pitied. Also, learn how to distinguish thots from the rest of the crowd, and patrol them. You won't settle for a one night stand with the first girl who throws themselves at you. You want an actual relationship. You will have displayed strength and self control, and that makes worthwhile women wetter than the Pacific Ocean (exaggeration, I know, but you get the gist). They'll approach you then.

A post on reddit I found. Not sure who made this as it was posted in a thread about equality and how equality is anything that benefits women then actual equality.

As a woman, I strongly disagree with this. When a woman chases a man it only really benefits the man in question. Men will go out with women they don't really like for the chance of easy sex; female sexuality is very different in that regard. From my experiences and observations men chase women they like; if they don't, he's not into you. If a woman wants an assertive and confident man (as most do) the natural thing is to let him be a man and take the lead. When you let men slack and take the weight off their shoulders very few live up to high standards. I also don't see how it's fair that women incur all of the risks/costs of dating (higher risk of rape, being treated as a sex object, spending money on our appearances, potentially risking our health and future as a result of pregnancy, etc.) and now we have to take the load off of men's shoulders and take on their burdens (paying half, asking out, etc)? How does your paradigm benefit women at all?

 

[Guncannon]

As a woman, I strongly disagree with this. When a woman chases a man it only really benefits the man in question. Men will go out with women they don't really like for the chance of easy sex; female sexuality is very different in that regard. From my experiences and observations men chase women they like; if they don't, he's not into you. If a woman wants an assertive and confident man (as most do) the natural thing is to let him be a man and take the lead. When you let men slack and take the weight off their shoulders very few live up to high standards. I also don't see how it's fair that women incur all of the risks/costs of dating (higher risk of rape, being treated as a sex object, spending money on our appearances, potentially risking our health and future as a result of pregnancy, etc.) and now we have to take the load off of men's shoulders and take on their burdens (paying half, asking out, etc)? How does your paradigm benefit women at all?

Ahhh, the "nice girl". While a single reddit post isn't representative of all women, there are enough women with this mentality that people like Matthew Hussey have a job. In my experience, most women are more than happy to pay half or take turns.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Ahhh, the "nice girl". While a single reddit post isn't representative of all women, there are enough women with this mentality that people like Matthew Hussey have a job. In my experience, most women are more than happy to pay half or take turns.

So why should we take your experience as the majority of how things are then when you admit that there are enough, enough can be any number really, that some celebrity has a job about this?

There are studies that women, even educated and wealthy ones still want men who are even more wealthy then them and thus men needing to pay and so on is paramount.

Though of course, we all know the cliche of said rich wife fucking around with the help even though they are not rich. The rich man is only wanted for his wealth. The poor man has the woman's lust and passion.

You may bring up that women have issues of their husbands fucking around with the female help too. And I don't deny that. But this thread is about men and their issues which is what I'm focusing on.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

A post on reddit I found. Not sure who made this as it was posted in a thread about equality and how equality is anything that benefits women then actual equality.

As a woman, I strongly disagree with this. When a woman chases a man it only really benefits the man in question. Men will go out with women they don't really like for the chance of easy sex; female sexuality is very different in that regard. From my experiences and observations men chase women they like; if they don't, he's not into you. If a woman wants an assertive and confident man (as most do) the natural thing is to let him be a man and take the lead. When you let men slack and take the weight off their shoulders very few live up to high standards. I also don't see how it's fair that women incur all of the risks/costs of dating (higher risk of rape, being treated as a sex object, spending money on our appearances, potentially risking our health and future as a result of pregnancy, etc.) and now we have to take the load off of men's shoulders and take on their burdens (paying half, asking out, etc)? How does your paradigm benefit women at all?

"Why should I-"
Because you're going to go through menopause and then, statistically speaking, no one is going to want to take care of you and you'll end up miserable and alone.

Women need to find a man, and they're on a very strict time table to do so. Strong men can wait out the crazies and date the desperate 18 year olds who see what life as a spinster is like by looking at the previous generation.

 

[Guncannon]

So why should we take your experience as the majority of how things are then when you admit that there are enough, enough can be any number really, that some celebrity has a job about this?

I never said to take my experience, I'm just adding my anecdote as a contrary experience to the anecdote of another internet post. Why should we take your "experience" as an incel?

You may bring up that women have issues of their husbands fucking around with the female help too. And I don't deny that. But this thread is about men and their issues which is what I'm focusing on.

Not really, as per the original post I responded to. A reality-deaf incel like you talking about social constructs is hilarious. Just look at this post:

Society demands men to be nice and respectful of women aka don't defy them, obey them, don't fight back and be ready to hand over money to them.

You're not here to talk about men and the concept of "gentlemen", you're here to bitch about how you think women are evil. I've seen your posts enough on this site that I'm at the point of literally sighing out loud just seeing your username appear in a thread.