Question. Why do White Identitarians think Whites are not as Violent as other races.

[Shipmaster Sane]

There are some sound points to those arguments, but I haven't seen that sort of thing play out on the racial level.

The two examples I can think of where genetics got fucked up to the point it was noticable at 'group' level would actually be the Hapsburgs and Russian royal families. The inbred so much that they were developing real, noticable health issues in succeeding generations.

Malnutrition alone can have a serious effect on lifetime IQ, and IQ is at least partially genetic, so consider that a regularly malnourished population might see a decline in overall IQ generationally.

Well like I said, it is difficult to know how much of an effect it has because these things always come paired with social factors. However, for a simple example, you have things like the Brain Drain in Africa, where the top percent of IQ population statistically flees to pursue opportunities in greener pastures and never returns, leading (among other factors perhaps) to steadily decreasing IQs in some countries, including one small african country where, if I recall, the average IQ is below the threshold for what is normally considered crippling mental disability. I think it's like 65 or something.

The african slave trade, or the Dem run inner city Ghetto, may have had genetic effects on populations as knock on effects from culture. Or consider Mexico, shipping enourmous numbers of it's middle class (and "middle class" is not arbitrary as far as genetic traits) to america, essentially "distilling" any common genetic factors among it's lower class.
For a few "white centric" examples (though any white supremacist worth their salt would stop and bicker about who's "really" white) the repeated genocides and mass starvations of the Irish people and the subsequent dissolution of their culture and diaspora to america may have had negative effects that cross over into the genetic, that some populations are still riding out the aftershocks of to this day.

For a more clinical example, the use of birth control medication makes women gravitate towards men with lower testosterone. A few generations after birth control becomes common, and we have a crisis of masculinity and statistically depressive testosterone levels.



There is an often miserable continuity between culture and genetics.

 

[The Name of Love]

There are some sound points to those arguments, but I haven't seen that sort of thing play out on the racial level.

Most Africans in the third world have average IQs so low they would be considered mentally retarded by first world standards. Before European imperialists arrived, most African tribes hadn’t even invented the wheel. Even in the US, where they were doing pretty well financially in-between the dawn of the twentieth century and the implementation of the Great Society, their average IQ maxed out at around 80.

By contrast, Jews and Asians came over to America having low average IQs. Today, their average IQs are higher than the averages of European-descended people’s and they have the higher average incomes to show for it.

How can we account for this, I wonder?

 

[Deleted member]

IQ is clearly impacted by socio-economic and culture conditions. Polish immigrants also had much lower IQs than average for the white population when arriving in America but within less than two generations were at the US baseline (for whites).

 

[Sailor.X]

Well since people are bringing up IQ time to drop some data.

What is IQ — and how much does it matter?

Studies reveal that intelligence — and success in life — depend on more than what IQ tests measure.

www.sciencenewsforstudents.org

The IQ test wars: why screening for intelligence is still so controversial

The legitimacy of the IQ test is still hotly debated.

theconversation.com

This is what people need to be looking at instead of the standard IQ people like to cite. Mechanical aptitude - Wikipedia

 

[The Name of Love]

@Sailor.X The General Intelligence is part of IQ is what you ought to be looking for, since it isn’t captured by more specific knowledge gained from specialty training.

 

[Scottty]

IQ is clearly impacted by socio-economic and culture conditions. Polish immigrants also had much lower IQs than average for the white population when arriving in America but within less than two generations were at the US baseline (for whites).

Could it be due (in part) to nutrition? Or some environmental influence in North America vs Eastern Europe?

 

[Deleted member]

Could it be due (in part) to nutrition? Or some environmental influence in North America vs Eastern Europe?

Culture and economic factors impact diet, so I meant to include that sort of thing.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Well since people are bringing up IQ time to drop some data.

What is IQ — and how much does it matter?

Studies reveal that intelligence — and success in life — depend on more than what IQ tests measure.

www.sciencenewsforstudents.org

The IQ test wars: why screening for intelligence is still so controversial

The legitimacy of the IQ test is still hotly debated.

theconversation.com

This is what people need to be looking at instead of the standard IQ people like to cite. Mechanical aptitude - Wikipedia

I was only using it as an example of a trait that can be impacted generationally by living conditions, mind you, like height or aggression or whatever. I don't hold up IQ as some kind of objective measure of worth, especially as high level IQ supposedly correlates strongly with mental illness.

 

[The Name of Love]

I was only using it as an example of a trait that can be impacted generationally by living conditions, mind you, like height or aggression or whatever. I don't hold up IQ as some kind of objective measure of worth, especially as high level IQ supposedly correlates strongly with mental illness.

“Measure of worth” is kind of... loaded. Certainly, higher IQs are correlated with greater material success and job performance. Is that a “measure of worth”?

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

“Measure of worth” is kind of... loaded. Certainly, higher IQs are correlated with greater material success and job performance. Is that a “measure of worth”?

Moral worth, I mean. I figured that was implicit.
Further, like I mentioned, higher IQs also correlate strongly with mental illness. If everyone in the world was a super genius, we'd spend all our intellect designing asylums.

 

[The Name of Love]

Moral worth, I mean. I figured that was implicit.
Further, like I mentioned, higher IQs also correlate strongly with mental illness. If everyone in the world was a super genius, we'd spend all our intellect designing asylums.

Does that mean that Ashkanazi Jews and Asians are more likely to be mentally ill because they have higher average IQs?

 

[Deleted member]

Does that mean that Ashkanazi Jews and Asians are more likely to be mentally ill because they have higher average IQs?

No, it’s the extreme outliers that correlate with mental illness.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

How can we account for this, I wonder?

Slavery and the subsequent eugenics operations by the left could have left blacks negatively effected in ways disproportionate to other immigrant peoples.

Does that mean that Ashkanazi Jews and Asians are more likely to be mentally ill because they have higher average IQs?

As I understand it there isnt a steady correlation across the board but rather a sharp increase past a certain point.

 

[The Name of Love]

Slavery and the subsequent eugenics operations by the left could have left blacks negatively effected in ways disproportionate to other immigrant peoples.

I mean, that may be one option. What I would contest with is any explanation that says "oh, we can fix it if we put the black people in the right schools." Because that hasn't worked in the past, and I don't expect it to work.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, that may be one option. What I would contest with is any explanation that says "oh, we can fix it if we put the black people in the right schools." Because that hasn't worked in the past, and I don't expect it to work.

I think the idea of white people successfully fixing "it" is all moonshine. This is a change that has to come from within a people, according to their own will and design, and might be a long time in coming even if they are given that power, because one does not rebuild a nation in a day.

 

[The Name of Love]

I think the idea of white people successfully fixing "it" is all moonshine. This is a change that has to come from within a people, according to their own will and design, and might be a long time in coming even if they are given that power, because one does not rebuild a nation in a day.

I agree.

 

[Deleted member]

I agree.

I mean, I know very well what I would do if someone from outside of my culture and way of living told me that I had to change, and they knew how, and were going to provide it for me, and I had best obey because they were wiser and knew the answer better than my people did.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

I mean, that may be one option. What I would contest with is any explanation that says "oh, we can fix it if we put the black people in the right schools." Because that hasn't worked in the past, and I don't expect it to work.

One would expect, if the problem is indeed one of eugenics (i.e. "breeding" selecting for negative traits) that it would take three or four generations to level out at least after all the other factors had been removed. In other words, whatever damage has been done will not be undone until the social and cultural programs of the modern left are long relegated to the grave of history.


Wether the impediment to african americans is partially genetic, or wholly cultural, at least it is true that if we hadnt let the democrats come back after the civil war, the black american would likely be a prosperous and wealthy ethnicity today.

 

[The Name of Love]

I mean, I know very well what I would do if someone from outside of my culture and way of living told me that I had to change, and they knew how, and were going to provide it for me, and I had best obey because they were wiser and knew the answer better than my people did.

Yeah, and that's the main problem with the "white man's burden."

One would expect, if the problem is indeed one of eugenics (i.e. "breeding" selecting for negative traits) that it would take three or four generations to level out at least after all the other factors had been removed. In other words, whatever damage has been done will not be undone until the social and cultural programs of the modern left are long relegated to the grave of history.


Wether the impediment to african americans is partially genetic, or wholly cultural, at least it is true that if we hadnt let the democrats come back after the civil war, the black american would likely be a prosperous and wealthy ethnicity today.

There was a striving, up-and-coming black middle class... up until the LBJ's Great Society.

 

[Sailor.X]

Would it really hurt for people to make the distinction between Rural and Urban. I mean how would White People like it if some outsider used Hillibillies of Applachia as an example of all American Whites. I would bet every other White groups would say hey we are not a monolith. You must say the same about the distinction between Rural and Urban Blacks because the Culture is not the same. I have been trying to get this message out for years now. But for some reason people aren't even listening.