SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

On the ectopic pregnancy topic there are only 200,000 US cases per year or 1 in 50 another source said. We can’t base laws on rare specific cases. Besides making elective abortions illegal would have no effect the key word is elective. But again the vast majority of abortions aren’t for incest rape or any other excuse the advocates are harping on we have the data we know how tiny those numbers are that vast majority are using it as birth control and that’s evil.
I think it's very appropriate for laws to be written in such a way that rare cases don't get fucked over. and 200,000 per year is not honestly that rare.

I am not sure the numbers on "elective" abortion vs. serious fetal defects etc. are reliable on account of, if there is no reason required for the abortion, how do we know there are not unreported reasons that exist? It's very conceivable that the woman may not wish to share her reasons.
 
Yeah, that is not a valid counter-argument.

I am becoming convinced that you have no counter-argument aside from "tradcon religious fee-fees".
I spent like ten pages arguing with you and I'm neither religious or a conservative.

You seem to have worse and worse takes. You're either a troll or a moron. Perhaps both.

But I'm done engaging in the debate with someone who views human babies as "leftist mouths" that are worth killing, and adoptions as cuckoldry.

If you're not a troll, you've got some serious issues. You should consider seeking counseling.
 
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I spent like ten pages arguing with you and in neither religious or a conservative.

You seem to have worse and worse takes. You're either a troll or a moron. Perhaps both.

But I'm done engaging in the debate with someone who views human babies as "leftist mouths" that are worth killing, and adoptions as cuckoldry.

If you're not a troll, you've got some serious issues. You should consider seeking counseling.
Ok, here is a way you can rethink it, just replace 'biology' in all my posts with 'religion', and costs with 'satan'.
 
How do you view a woman cucking her husband and giving birth to a child that is not his, or a husband swapping a dead newborn with a baby produced by his mistress?

That is called being cucked, and IMHO on a purely genetic level adoption and use of other people's genetic material is basically the same thing, even worse, since the parties are aware of it.

Yes, I am very much a materialist where most things are concerned.


That is still more people per year that might have died vs. from Terrorism, and you still have the TSA, Homeland Security and the patriot act, and you threw 6(10) trillion on fighting terrorism and bringing democracy in the middle east, and got nowhere.
Your objection to adoption is so far outside the left or right wing view I’m having a hard time wrapping my mind around the logic behind it. If someone doesn’t want to take care of there child and another person does how is that at all cuckholding? Your going to have to break that down.

Look the numbers of a hypothetical medical problem doesn’t matter and I have no idea why your bringing in terrorism in the discussion that has no basis in this discussion. Over all the vast majority of abortions are elective which means there was no problems with the pregnancy. It’s being used as an escape of responsibility but there are plenty of fathers that would take the child or grandparents or even aunts or uncles and if all that fails adoption is another good option. The tiny sliver of abortions that happen because of a medical issues or incest or even rape arent going to be effected even in more red states. Using those excuses is a smokescreen for the more vile and vast majority of abortions.
 
Ok, here is a way you can rethink it, just replace 'biology' in all my posts with 'religion', and costs with 'satan'.
I have actually replaced the text in all your posts with "I'm an edge lord troll trying to get a rise out of the conservatives, but I actually just look really dumb and malicious in the process," and I actually can't tell any difference from the original text.
 
I spent like ten pages arguing with you and I'm neither religious or a conservative.

You seem to have worse and worse takes. You're either a troll or a moron. Perhaps both.

But I'm done engaging in the debate with someone who views human babies as "leftist mouths" that are worth killing, and adoptions as cuckoldry.

If you're not a troll, you've got some serious issues. You should consider seeking counseling.
I have actually replaced the text in all your posts with "I'm an edge lord troll trying to get a rise out of the conservatives, but I actually just look really dumb and malicious in the process," and I actually can't tell any difference from the original text.
You think this is bad, come see the shit the Vatnik has posted in the War College Ukraine threads; advocated for the rape and human trafficking of Ukrainian women, to start.

He's an angry little Kremlin shill who hates the West for 'globohomo' and for not bowing to Russia (and thus not affecting his purchasing power in Bulgaria, which kept sucking the Kremlin's teat long after most of Eastern Europe stopped), along with someone who acts like a mini-mod and actively mades demands that staff infract people because 'Vatnik' is a slur to his mind and he wants mods to punish the people clowning on his ass.
 
Your objection to adoption is so far outside the left or right wing view I’m having a hard time wrapping my mind around the logic behind it. If someone doesn’t want to take care of there child and another person does how is that at all cuckholding? Your going to have to break that down.

Look the numbers of a hypothetical medical problem doesn’t matter and I have no idea why your bringing in terrorism in the discussion that has no basis in this discussion. Over all the vast majority of abortions are elective which means there was no problems with the pregnancy. It’s being used as an escape of responsibility but there are plenty of fathers that would take the child or grandparents or even aunts or uncles and if all that fails adoption is another good option. The tiny sliver of abortions that happen because of a medical issues or incest or even rape arent going to be effected even in more red states. Using those excuses is a smokescreen for the more vile and vast majority of abortions.
I think he is arguing around a basis for materialism. There is no god so the only purpose of life is to spread your genes. Under this logic if you can have kids of your own it makes no sense to adopt because you’d be giving resources to care for someone else’s genetic legacy instead of using those resources to further your own. It’s logical if you are an atheist Genghis Khan won at life after all.
 
Your objection to adoption is so far outside the left or right wing view I’m having a hard time wrapping my mind around the logic behind it. If someone doesn’t want to take care of there child and another person does how is that at all cuckholding? Your going to have to break that down.

Look the numbers of a hypothetical medical problem doesn’t matter and I have no idea why your bringing in terrorism in the discussion that has no basis in this discussion. Over all the vast majority of abortions are elective which means there was no problems with the pregnancy. It’s being used as an escape of responsibility but there are plenty of fathers that would take the child or grandparents or even aunts or uncles and if all that fails adoption is another good option. The tiny sliver of abortions that happen because of a medical issues or incest or even rape arent going to be effected even in more red states. Using those excuses is a smokescreen for the more vile and vast majority of abortions.
Ever heard of natural selection?
Well, human mating is part of it.
Two people perform coitus because they are naturally inclined to desire reproduction, not on an intellectual level, but on a more base, instinctual level, since we are not evolved enough to intrinsicly understand the need of some such behaviors, we do realize some of this stuff subconsciously, though, since research on adoptees shows that the adoptive parents actually invest less resources in them than in their natural children, and there is also the purely animal instinct to mate and feel good from sexual stimulation and fluid exchange.
When they breed successfully, they pass on their genes to the next generation.
When they adopt both their genes are lost, when the female partner cheats in some way, the male partner's genes might not get passed down.
If the male cheats he might get a 2-for-1, if the female cheats after producing at least one legitimate offspring then she gets a 2-for-1 since she mingles her genes with those of more partners.
Adoption is a no brainer from a purely evolutionary standpoint unless it is done in the shape of kin selection.

I think he is arguing around a basis for materialism. There is no god so the only purpose of life is to spread your genes. Under this logic if you can have kids of your own it makes no sense to adopt because you’d be giving resources to care for someone else’s genetic legacy instead of using those resources to further your own. It’s logical if you are an atheist Genghis Khan won at life after all.

All humans on earth can be traced to a single Genetic Eve, and the majority of western Europeans can be geneticly traced to 3-4 ancestors.
It wasn't just Genghis, although the theory that he specifically is the forefather of about 1/3 of Asia's population was kinda-sorta shot down IIRC, there was another, older ancestor that was even better at "sowing seeds".

God and Religion, in my opinion, and in the opinions of researchers, came about out of the worship of nature and shared ancestors.
I am just being super-conservative by returning to what was the basis of the Old Gods. ;)
A natural cycle, the harshness of the seasons and the state of nature, and the importance of one's extended clan/tribe, which is kin selection.
 
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I've heard Alito is standing his ground by NOT getting intimidated by the WOKE freaks

the problem with these sorts of tactics is that once fear is over come by anger and rage, it backfires very quickly and very badly.

but you can never know when that tipping point hits, I do think the world however is in for something akin to the crisis of the 3rd century or other disaster and when that's in high gear wokists will be murdered by angry mobs while the police stand by and do nothing.
 
Roe v Wade (and Planned Parenthood v Casey, by extension) being overturned is something social conservatives have been fighting for for a long, long time. I think it's one thing that's tied social conservatives to the Republican party, pushing legislation to restrict abortion as far as Roe/Casey will allow and the prospect of getting judicial appointees whose judicial philosophy leans towards overturning Roe altogether. I think it's why a large number of conservative Christians voted for Trump in 2016, and why I was tempted to vote for, even though I found him deeply unlikable. It was that open seat left by Antonin Scalia, and the distinct possibility that Ruth Bader Ginsburg would pass and leave her seat up for being filled. If Hillary was elected, and got to fill Scalia's seat, it would have been a setback for the pro-life movement, as Scalia was an ardent critic of Roe and Casey.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, because I didn't think he would actually do it. I didn't think he had any sincere interest in overturning Roe, he was just parroting usual GOP talking points to try to hold on to the social conservative part of the coalition. GOP judicial nominees have been hit or miss when it comes to abortion, anyways. Scalia, Thomas, Alito? Hits. O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter? Misses. So I had no confidence in whom Trump would potentially nominate. I didn't want to vote for him, but I definitely didn't want to vote for Hilary either, so I went third party (Gary Johnson blech)

Six years later, after Trump got to appoint three new justices (including the retirement of Kennedy, who was a key player in upholding Roe through Casey), it seems like he may have done it after all. The three justices he appointed may have tipped things towards overturning Roe. Even after three appointments, I didn't think they would go all the way and do it. Gorsuch and Barrett seemed solid, but I would have bet on Kavanaugh being a wishy washy Kennedy 2.0 (especially since Kennedy may have had some say in picking his successor). But, here we are. Anyone who voted for Trump in the hope of getting justices that would overturn Roe must be feeling pretty vindicated right now.

Screw whoever leaked the majority opinion. They were obviously looking to influence the court to uphold Roe instead. And screw Democrats for not saying a word about how unacceptable this leak should be. So much for the democratic norms of our government. Now if the court comes out with an ruling that upholds Roe, it's going to be impossible to avoid the appearance of changing their ruling because of public pressure. I hope it backfires. I hope it stiffens the spines of the justices who were going to join Alito's majority opinion.
 
Now if the court comes out with an ruling that upholds Roe, it's going to be impossible to avoid the appearance of changing their ruling because of public pressure.
...and this is a HUGE issue. It shows everyone that thinks it that the government can't be trusted to do the right thing, and that we can no longer trust it. Throw that on top of the '20 election, and, if the '22 midterms are seen as fraudulant in some way...

...you've got a robust recipe for people to make some horrible decisions.
 
the problem with these sorts of tactics is that once fear is over come by anger and rage, it backfires very quickly and very badly.

but you can never know when that tipping point hits, I do think the world however is in for something akin to the crisis of the 3rd century or other disaster and when that's in high gear wokists will be murdered by angry mobs while the police stand by and do nothing.
The WOKE Culture knows that Roe v Wade is likely getting overturned.
 

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