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[Hlaalu Agent]

One of the most interesting alternate universe / time travel fanfics I've seen for the prequel era is one where Obi-Wan time travels from early into his exile on Tatooine, to around the beginning of the Clone Wars. Since he's aware of the whole, "Emperor Palpatine is Darth Sidious, the Clone Wars were entirely stage managed to get him into power", he decides to that the best way to ruin Sidious' plan is for him to resign from the Jedi Order and then openly join the CIS, with the intent of hijacking it out from under Sidious.

He also goes out of the way to capture as many Clones and Jedi as possible and to treat the prisoners with perfect kindness and adherence to the rules of war, but also gleefully causes a major political crisis by offering to ransom them back for fixed price rates.

I remember that one, it was/is pretty fun. Mind if you provide the link?

I am a sucker for CIS stories.

competent!TradeFed never needs to actually fight the Senate - they're probably better served by just buying it out. Like, the Republic prior to the Clone Wars was a corrupt mess wasn't it? That's not exactly the sort of environment a monopolistic megacorp suffers in. Unless the Trade Fed is a Outer-Rim based megacorp at loggerheads with more politically powerful Core World megacorps.

They were better served working with Naboo than trying to strong arm them. It is good PR, good business, and good morally- if you believe acting in the right manner is good for you. Justice is good for the soul, to paraphrase Plato.

Or just realizes that he's the fall guy and starts trying to win it for real. IIRC Sidious and Dooku had to do a lot more managing to make sure the Separatists didn't steamroll the Republic early on than they did preventing the Republic from doing too well against the Separatists.

That too, but I prefer a Dooku who is redeemed or never fell. But, yeah, the game was stacked hard in favour of the Republic, and the CIS would have roflstomped them.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I remember that one, it was/is pretty fun. Mind if you provide the link?

I remembered it because I re-read it a few months ago, but I don't have the link to hand.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

I remembered it because I re-read it a few months ago, but I don't have the link to hand.

Ah, so you are in the same boat. Any idea of where to search?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Ah, so you are in the same boat. Any idea of where to search?

I generally find the good ones by searching Fanfiction.net, filtering for long fics in English.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

I generally find the good ones by searching Fanfiction.net, filtering for long fics in English.

That makes a lot of sense, I'll try that method.

 

[AspblastUSA]

Personally I always thought it was too rosy in its depiction of how Obi-Wan’s plan was going, but it also only ever made it to Christophsis so who knows how things might have worked out.

It’s Certain Point by esama on AO3, by the by.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Personally I always thought it was too rosy in its depiction of how Obi-Wan’s plan was going, but it also only ever made it to Christophsis so who knows how things might have worked out.

I figured that it made sense that Obi-Wan's actions start out easy because he's taken absolutely everyone by surprise. It'll be a lot harder for him to continue capturing clones and Jedi without significantly harming them as the war continues to escalate, and as of the point where the story went into hiatus we were already seeing to see serious consequences from Anakin's divided loyalty.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Seppies also could have been very useful against the Vong later on.

The NR could have saved itself a lot of grief if anyone had though to go reactivate some of the old Seppie droid foundries on Geonosis and started pumping out droideka's, supers, vulture droids, and those droid gunships.

This actually happened in Legends to an extent.

Orange Panthacs

Vong Fire Breathers are basically organic Defoliator tanks.

But yeah, droidekas, HMP droid gunships, and those overpowered Annihilator droids would have stomped the Vong there and then.

Vulture droids, especially the variant manufactured by the Valahari (they could outfight Jedi in their Delta-7s) would have crushed those coralskippers, for only 1/3 the price of a standard TIE/LN starfighter.

Buzz droids could be used to counter grutchins. Massive bug fights (buzz droid were based off of a bug from the Colicoid homeworld of Colla IV) in deepspace.

 

[Bacle]

This actually happened in Legends to an extent.

Orange Panthacs

Vong Fire Breathers are basically organic Defoliator tanks.

But yeah, droidekas, HMP droid gunships, and those overpowered Annihilator droids would have stomped the Vong there and then.

Vulture droids, especially the variant manufactured by the Valahari (they could outfight Jedi in their Delta-7s) would have crushed those coralskippers, for only 1/3 the price of a standard TIE/LN starfighter.

Buzz droids could be used to counter grutchins. Massive bug fights (buzz droid were based off of a bug from the Colicoid homeworld of Colla IV) in deepspace.

I know Lando eventually started making those YVH's, but I don't remember anyone reopening Seppie foundaries or reactivating derelict Seppie formations.

Also, droid controlled Munificent spam would have been very useful against Vong Fleets, and save the NR a lot of losses.

Really, it's ironic Palp created the best counter-Vong military in the galaxy during the Clone Wars, only for everyone who's lived in the Clone Wars to forget about droid armies when it came time to fight the Vong.

 

[BlackDragon98]

I know Lando eventually started making those YVH's, but I don't remember anyone reopening Seppie foundaries or reactivating derelict Seppie formations.

Really, it's ironic Palp created the best counter-Vong military in the galaxy during the Clone Wars, only for everyone who's lived in the Clone Wars to forget about droid armies when it came time to fight the Vong.

Off the top of my head, I can recall there were privately owned droidekas, commando droids, B2 supers, and vulture droids in that era.

Though the problem is mostly that the books involving the Vong war were written before AoTC or RoTS came out, so there's that continuity disconnect.

Also, droid controlled Munificent spam would have been very useful against Vong Fleets, and save the NR a lot of losses.

Or Recusant spam.


I surprise no one has mentioned the ultimate Vong killer in the room.

The neutron bomb.

Yes, it was a thing in Legends and the Empire used it sometimes, hence the need for radtroopers.

Vong can adapt against biological and chemical weapons, but they have no defense against good old fashioned radiation.

Just mass produce neutron bomb tipped guided missiles designed to avoid blackholes and spam them at the Vong.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Yeah, before the Prequel Trilogy the books tended to think the Clone Wars were fought by clones attacking the Republic, not the other way around. Clones were grown in days to weeks but were mentally unstable and went nuts, causing mass destruction in the Zahn books and those informed much of the rest of the EU.

 

[DarthOne]

(Takes notes for that CIS-gets-partially-IOST’d-into-Halo-during-the-Human/Covenant-War story he’s been working on and off on)

Please, by all means, continue.

 

[LindyAF]

Yeah, before the Prequel Trilogy the books tended to think the Clone Wars were fought by clones attacking the Republic, not the other way around. Clones were grown in days to weeks but were mentally unstable and went nuts, causing mass destruction in the Zahn books and those informed much of the rest of the EU.

This makes a lot more sense with what we get in the Original Trilogy.

Reading the fic @Zyobot linked, just at the beginning. It's a bit stomp-y and at least in the beginning a bit "and Darth Vader was there too" but otherwise okay.

One thing it had that I thought would be relevant for @Zyobot's idea was that in that fic being a Sith isn't illegal - so the Jedi can't really act against Vader b/c he's being helpful and not doing anything illegal. That's kind of necessary for the fic, but IMO dark side force use in general, and particularly being a Sith, probably is formally illegal in the Republic, probably as a law that got on the books during the wars against the Sith empire and never got taken off. Mace Windu and the Jedi go to arrest Palpatine on the grounds that he's a Sith Lord and this is treated as perfectly legitimate in universe (even if it's sometimes presented as not in fanfic). I guess this could be because "being a Sith Lord" makes him a suspect for the Sith Lord who is working with the confederacy, but it also seems pretty likely that being a Sith is straight up illegal in the Republic, given the Sith wars only really ended when the Sith were (supposedly) wiped out. And we never really get any Sith doing the "technically I am doing nothing illegal" thing that I know of, and if they could one absolutely would.

In the Darth Vader + Death Squadron sent back idea, this would put Vader on a much more adversarial ground with the Jedi + Republic.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Yeah, before the Prequel Trilogy the books tended to think the Clone Wars were fought by clones attacking the Republic, not the other way around. Clones were grown in days to weeks but were mentally unstable and went nuts, causing mass destruction in the Zahn books and those informed much of the rest of the EU.

The "rules" set by the Zahn books for Spaarti cloning techniques were that the faster you grow a clone, the higher risk of mental instability. One year was considered the hard limit for useful clones, and three to five years was the norm. The cause of clone instability was unknown to everyone except the Sith, whose experiments revealed it to be a Force effect; Grand Admiral Thrawn had access to this knowledge and was able to grow adult clones in 20 days with absolutely *no* mental instability by using ysalimari racks to nullify the Force around the cloning chambers.

The Thrawn books also established that clones of Jedi inherited their progenitors' Force sensitivity but were always insane due to the "clone madness" effect being considerably amplified. This was less pronounced if the Jedi was deceased by the time the clone was created, and in the plotline of The Force Unleashed II, Darth Vader was ultimately able to grow one fully stable clone of his deceased apprentice, Galen Marek. This is explicitly described as following many unsuccessful attempts, but it is not known what Vader actually *did* to improve the outcomes and ultimately produce this stable clone.

 

[Zyobot]

I am a sucker for CIS stories.

In that case, I don't suppose you've heard of A Second Chance or Sonderweg before? They're by the same author and both share the same (baseline) premise, which is Darth Vader time-traveling to the Clone Wars and serving as a Separatist general. The former is abandoned, however, and the latter is a rewrite that's slow to update, at best.

 

[LindyAF]

 

[Zyobot]

Your meme’s not available.

I saw it before, but all I’m getting now is a message telling me that the image was “probably deleted.”

 

[LindyAF]

Your meme’s not available.

I saw it before, but all I’m getting now is a message telling me that the image was “probably deleted.”

RIP. Not mine, saw it on r/fudd_lore Still showing for me?

 

[Bear Ribs]

RIP. Not mine, saw it on r/fudd_lore Still showing for me?

I'm seeing the deleted message too even though I saw it before. It's probably still showing for you because you have a copy in your cache, check with a different browser.

 

[BlackDragon98]

I saw it before, but now I'm getting the deleted image message as well.