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[Battlegrinder]

That was already kinda the case in the original KOTOR, though, if you put a negative spin on it. The *entire point* of Carth is that he's a good-hearted but seriously flawed character who has *enormous* trust issues and a vindictive streak, whereas Mission is kinda the 'cute, strong, possibly-obnoxiously-spunky kid' archetype.

That's sort of true, though Mission had her own flaws as well, like her glaring blind spot when it comes to her brother, or her general immaturity.

Speaking of Mission, while they're remaking the game, I do hope they age her up a bit, I was never particularly comfortable with taking a teenager along on those adventures, I'm pretty sure child soldiers aren't really the Jedi way.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

so so far my dad and I are having fun with the star wars visions show. It actually seems to be as much a love letter to the 70s and 80s as much as it is an anime

 

[LindyAF]

I'm pretty sure child soldiers aren't really the Jedi way.

Looks over at The Clone Wars.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

That's sort of true, though Mission had her own flaws as well, like her glaring blind spot when it comes to her brother, or her general immaturity.

As HK-47 put it: "Mockery: Oh Master, I do not trust you! I cannot trust you, or anyone ever again!"

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Looks over at The Clone Wars.

Luke and Leia were both only 19 in the original movies.

EDIT: Anakin was also 19 when he married Padme in Episode 2. Padme was also only 14 during Episode 1.

In short, Star Wars MCs being teenagers has long been a thing. Revan and Bastila aren't that old either, 30 at most, and that's a stretch. Probably around 25, more likely.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

In short, Star Wars MCs being teenagers has long been a thing. Revan and Bastila aren't that old either, 30 at most, and that's a stretch. Probably around 25, more likely.

Bastila's 23, Revan is actually 38.

 

[LindyAF]

Luke and Leia were both only 19 in the original movies.

EDIT: Anakin was also 19 when he married Padme in Episode 2. Padme was also only 14 during Episode 1.

I think most people wouldn't consider a 19 year old a child soldier. Id say 16-17 is borderline. Mission appears to have been canonically 14.

 

[Zachowon]

This is star wars.
It doesn't matter

 

[DarthOne]

That was already kinda the case in the original KOTOR, though, if you put a negative spin on it. The *entire point* of Carth is that he's a good-hearted but seriously flawed character who has *enormous* trust issues and a vindictive streak, whereas Mission is kinda the 'cute, strong, possibly-obnoxiously-spunky kid' archetype.

There’s a significant difference between that and woke BS though.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Unfortunately, the video is riddled with hot takes, blatantly rooted in Razorfist's all-encompassing desire to be a contrarian hipster. Like claiming Marcia Lucas' editing had nothing to do with why the Star Wars films were good, because he liked George's editing in one of his far more obscure works; or accusing Kurosawa of plagiarism. You know, that thing he does with everyone who's work is too mainstream popular for his hipster sensibilities; and that he doesn't have nostalgia for of course, like Star Wars.

Yeah I think this is a problem with a fair number of YouTubers. If your going to be a ranting channel, then be a ranting channel. But a lot of channels I think want to engage in the ranting and reactionary stuff and being contrarian but also do what it is they were 'known for' whether its like Lore Videos or Movie Reviews or Lets Plays or whatever.

The only "Commentary/Reaction" channel I kinda watch regularly pertaining to media like Disney is 'Clownfish TV' since they seem to have some nuance and when the rants start, it's usually Geeky Sparkles rambling in her adorably feminine voice with unscripted passion.

I think Arch Warhammer and the like are kinda how much ranting I'd tolerate from a YouTuber. His rants used to be more frequent IIRC but now he seems to still do more lore videos and just inserts more offhand comments in his videos. Occasionally he'll toss out a rant video... or make some offhand commentary in your lore videos, but it doesn't consistently dominate your uploads. It's kinda like with Commissar Gamza. He recently started making videos again and I like his irreverent nature and stuff, but he's made so many videos whining about WarhammerPlus and GW cracking down on 3D Printing that IDGAF most of the time.

Eckharts Ladder seems to recognize this. He actually identifies his videos at the beginning as the ones he feels are his rants or just his opinions on "controversial" subjects and you can choose to watch it. And its his Fandom content which still dominates his uploads.

With that said if people like to just watch reactionary/ranting/commentary videos most of the time that's fine but I actually listen to lets plays and lore videos on background to relax and the like. And I can't chill if I'm getting annoyed at the latest Disney or Games Workshop clusterfuck.

Also I can't stand people who yell (or talk loudly) all the time into the microphone. Like I saw Rageaholics video on 'The End of Superhero Movies' which was linked here a few times already and it was good commentary, but his perpetually loud voice felt more obnoxious to me then standard. Maybe just me though.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Speaking of Star Wars and woke BS . . .

Just found this and it warmed my heart . . . with blood of the innocents

 

[Husky_Khan]

Not sure I'm a fan of the flashback Disney retcons this new Kenobi series is going to feature.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Not sure I'm a fan of the flashback Disney retcons this new Kenobi series is going to feature.

And the continuity dies...no kids for Annie!

 

[Zyobot]

Given that I've been reading a fanfic where it's just him being sent back in time, I wonder what'd happen if both Darth Vader and Death Squadron were sent to the beginning of Episode I?

For one, I assume they'd blow away the Trade Federation blockade and get in Naboo's good graces, as well as cultivate a favorable reputation in the Outer Rim, due to how massive the market for anyone but the mega-corps or neglectful Republic is, ten years before the Clone Wars is (or, perhaps, originally was) scheduled to break out. Not to mention the various "personal matters" that Vader would attend to, thwarting Sidious and giving his younger self a leg-up among them (as well as deciding what to do with Plagueis and weighing his options accordingly). Of course, neither Palpatine nor the Jedi would take kindly to a re-emergent third Sith Lord with a state-of-the-art fighting force backing him up, but seeing as the Republic has no standing military to oppose Death Squadron and that Vader has critical knowledge (i.e. Sidious's true identity), his presence will have definitely thrown a monkey wrench into the gears.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I wonder what'd happen if both Darth Vader and Death Squadron were sent to the beginning of Episode I?

I think it matters as to When In Time Vader was pulled back. If it was after he finds out about Luke and/or Leia I can definitely see him aiming for repentance and the Light.

 

[Zyobot]

I think it matters as to When In Time Vader was pulled back. If it was after he finds out about Luke and/or Leia I can definitely see him aiming for repentance and the Light.

Eh, I'd say just before he departs for Bespin in Empire Strikes Back (as was the case in that fan work I linked to). Meaning, that he already knows about Luke (the Canon comics establish that he found out well before Palpatine tipped him off, I believe), but not Leia.

I disagree about him renouncing the Darkness that fast, though. While he may have been conflicted, his OTL response to finding out about Luke wasn't to rejoin the Light immediately, but to search him out and make him his apprentice. Going back to where it all began may bring him into a similar turbulent emotional state, though. That, I can readily agree with, especially when the urge to prevent Sidious from having his victory becomes a central part of Vader's agenda (which it certainly will).

 

[BlackDragon98]

Given that I've been reading a fanfic where it's just him being sent back in time, I wonder what'd happen if both Darth Vader and Death Squadron were sent to the beginning of Episode I?

Huge changes to the timeline.

And in Legends, this (time travel) actually happened.

The Sith battlecruiser Harbinger got yeeted 5000 years into the future when their hyperdrive got damaged by a Jedi saboteur.

For one, I assume they'd blow away the Trade Federation blockade and get in Naboo's good graces, as well as cultivate a favorable reputation in the Outer Rim, due to how massive the market for anyone but the mega-corps or neglectful Republic is, ten years before the Clone Wars is (or, perhaps, originally was) scheduled to break out.

Vader would be inclined to establish his own state in the Outer Rim; destroying criminals with brutal efficiency, dismantling the Hutt Cartel, and eliminating the megacorps.

EDIT: almost forgot. How big is Death Squadron at the time of the jump? How many ships, what type, etc?

 

[Zyobot]

Huge changes to the timeline.

And in Legends, this (time travel) actually happened.

The Sith battlecruiser Harbinger got yeeted 5000 years into the future when their hyperdrive got damaged by a Jedi saboteur.

Definitely didn't know about that, but thanks.

Vader would be inclined to establish his own state in the Outer Rim; destroying criminals with brutal efficiency, dismantling the Hutt Cartel, and eliminating the megacorps.

EDIT: almost forgot. How big is Death Squadron at the time of the jump? How many ships, what type, etc?

Pretty much what I thought, yes. He'd certainly be wise to market Death Squadron as a force of security and prosperity for a Rim long neglected by the Core, so perhaps pure strong-arming (while it will still happen at times) won't be as viable, if he's to prove himself any better than the Hutts or the mega-corps. Death Squadron might also want to lose its name for PR reasons, though there are other badass names they can replace it with. In which case, might I suggest The New Order--or, perhaps, The First Order? What we got in Canon may have been too hammy and imitative of the Original Trilogy, but the name itself is still pretty cool, I think (and that Vader should be the one to redeem it). 😉

As far as strength goes, Canon numbers indicate that Death Squadron has one Executor, five Imperial-class Star Destroyers, and the 501st Legion to work with. Which may not be exhaustive by normal Imperial standards, but relative to a demilitarized Republic and a blockade run by a mega-corp rather than a professional military, those odds don't sound half-bad. Ditto with the Executor also being sent back, both for its firepower and the intimidation factor of a gargantuan, dagger-shaped vessel bristling with weapons. Legends numbers, while having Death Squadron boast the same number of permanent capital ships, are better (due to its preponderance towards appropriating vessels from other task forces, from time to time). Honestly, we could probably just send the dozens of Star Destroyers in its arsenal at the Battle of Endor back and watch the fireworks, though part of me wonders if that makes things a notch too easy, as far as Vader beating back foes and carving out his own "politely governed", totally-not-a-Sith-fiefdom in the Outer Rim goes.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

@Zyobot
that would certinaly be an interesting series of events to watch!

 

[Zyobot]

@Zyobot
that would certinaly be an interesting series of events to watch!

A sentiment with which I agree, 110 percent!

I'd write this AU myself, but I'm neither knowledgeable enough about the finer points of the lore, nor sufficiently committed to posting regular entries to keep it up. Which doesn't rule out me writing it someday, but for now, I'm (mostly) content to simply discuss.