PsihoKekec
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And he would have been dead much sooner if Bush and his cabal didn't treat him as the sideshow to the main project of invading Iraq.
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I agree. Saddam's an ass but so is any rent a warlord.
The people in charge of that time really wanted to freedom Iraq that much huh?
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And now Iraq is the newest Iranian province.
Truly Mission Accomplished!
Truly Mission Accomplished!
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Iran's not really in a good position to teach Iraq the pecking order now that more of the leadership is coofing.
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Depends on how much of the Iranian leadership dies. I doubt it will be enough to bring down the regime. Iraq is a divided mess in any case.
It would have been a lot shorter and a lot less expensive to kill him if Pakastan didnt shelter him for years.
If Bush had allowed the military to drop GATOR mines on the border with Pakistan near Tora Bora, he would have never been able to get out.
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I will add that to the hundreds of other reasons I have for personally dispising that man.
PsihoKekec
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Like the airlift of hundreds of Taliban and Al-Queda fighters who were encircled in Kunduz into Pakistan, which he personally greenlit.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The trouble of dealing with allies of questionable integrity and what could have been done better like the GATOR mines decision except it didn't happen?
It took many years just to whack him and a few more just to get out. The military industrial complex and neocon influence want to stretch it out?
Partly that I think.
Also partly that A-Stan has a rather large amount of untapped rare earth elements, which have relatively high market value. thus an excuse to keep troops in-country for an extended period of times was needs, and letting Pakistan shelter AQ and the Taliban provided a way to justify keeping troops there long-term.
That's a part of the equation that rarely makes the news.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
There are many things I don't know about these kind of wars and why it's taking so fucking long.
Like those mines. If it was possible, the punitive expedition for 9/11 vengeance could've kept at least bin laden stuck in Afghanistan and eventually dragged out of whatever hole he's hiding in.
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For anyone interested in this subject, I recommend the Long War Journal, they produce a lot of good news and analysis without official government spin or face saving.
CarlManvers2019
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Unlike Westerners, the Chinese aren’t pussies, I’ll give you that
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If Kabul falls-honestly that wouldn't stop the Chinese from doing business with the Taliban. They don't care about a country's internal affairs so long as it doesn't get in the way of their ability to make money.
The absolute minimum to get to these minerals is to ensure security of workers, industry, and supply infrastructure that tend to all that. Power, roads, water, and so on.
And not just few small survey teams, but facilities with thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of workers, plus more tens of thousands of support necessary for these workers.
Considering all the warlords, insurgencies, terrorists and so on, combined with geography and terrible existing infrastructure in Afghanistan, nothing short of a massive foreign troop deployment enforcing a bloody and draconian order on all the hinterland dwellers could ensure that.
Chinese won't do business with Taliban because Taliban can't give them what they need - secure infrastructure through the country. It doesn't matter if someone other than the Taliban is disrupting it, its still a problem, and the investment needs would be massive so no one is going to hand over the money without knowing for sure that they will get to keep using that infrastructure. And that's besides the general problems with the whole islamism issue in Xinjiang - by the way, there are Uyghurs among the Taliban, and opium farming - Taliban get a big part of their funding from taking a cut, and you know, China has a history with opium trade.
www.nbcnews.com
And not just few small survey teams, but facilities with thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of workers, plus more tens of thousands of support necessary for these workers.
Considering all the warlords, insurgencies, terrorists and so on, combined with geography and terrible existing infrastructure in Afghanistan, nothing short of a massive foreign troop deployment enforcing a bloody and draconian order on all the hinterland dwellers could ensure that.
Chinese won't do business with Taliban because Taliban can't give them what they need - secure infrastructure through the country. It doesn't matter if someone other than the Taliban is disrupting it, its still a problem, and the investment needs would be massive so no one is going to hand over the money without knowing for sure that they will get to keep using that infrastructure. And that's besides the general problems with the whole islamism issue in Xinjiang - by the way, there are Uyghurs among the Taliban, and opium farming - Taliban get a big part of their funding from taking a cut, and you know, China has a history with opium trade.
U.S. targets Chinese Uighur militants as well as Taliban in Afghanistan
The camps in remote Badakhshan province supported the Taliban and the East Turkestan Islamic Movement — set up by members of China's minority Uighur community.
www.nbcnews.com
Lanmandragon
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Getting feminists afganis won't do jack. The men there will just laugh and or kill them probably both. If you actually wanted female suffrage you need men alot of men. It wouldn't have to he all or even the majority but you'd need a large minority of men. Say 20-25% to back up what the femjnsits are saying and be willing and able to busy heads. Without that funding won't mean a damn thing. Contrary to what's taught women did not "win" thier rights. Rather men basically gave them to women. I'm sure the marches and protests influenced did men. Still though if they hadn't decided to do so all yue suffragettes in the world wouldn't have mattered. For anything approaching "female liberation" you'd need a broad cultural change.
CarlManvers2019
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And just to make sure, those men need to be armed or at the very least VERY willing to tell off the minority or the religious leadership
Lanmandragon
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I'd say "telling them off" isn't going to work. Your gonna have to kill alot of people most likley. It's a moot point t though as the afganis don't have such a group of men. Nor are they likely to for decades probably centuries honestly. Especially if they pay attention to the shit show that is feminists I'm the west. Theoretically we could possibly it but why should we? Plus we'd have to do very questinsble things which would near certainly. See POTUS removed as genocide is gonna be a non starter and the amount of killing you'd need. Would definitely border on genocide if not be actual genocide. So the women's rights things a pretty moot point. What would he hilarious in a sad say though. Is if such a group did arise and didn't get killed it's very likely. That western feminsits would hatee and actively undermine them not fund them. Because the afgani feminsits would be attacking thier pet relegion.
Are we going to leave anyone there or full withdrawal?
What people generally forget is that prosperity comes first and then feminism comes after that as women feel more secure.
Afganistan before the soviets fucked up all the things had a feminist movement, they had female doctors and were very liberated the problem for the women of the middle east at the end of the day was this. The quaran states that a woman's paycheck is her's alone. She is not responsible for her husband, or for her family or even for her childrens fincial upkeep. They essentially have no fincial responsibilities.
That's what fucks women over because every time there is a set back or a disaster people have to seriously assest what to do, do you give jobs and power to men who are by custom and religious law responsible for their families and thus look after more people or do you give the job to a woman and potentially let children die?
If you want women to have rights in the middle east you have to give them responsibilities too with out that bedrock of fincial responsibility their rights will always vanish in the dewfall when ever trouble comes.