Texas Border Invasion Standoff

[Free-Stater 101]

Darn this is quickly turning into the constitutional crisis that came out of nowhere. The most likely outcome of the deadline ending without a resolution with Abbott is Biden Federalizing the National Guard troops and forcing them to leave.

If Biden does Federalizes the guard it could lead to some interesting long-term ramifications you could for example see more funding dumped into the often-forgotten State Defense Force's in order to circumvent the possibility of The President intervening in State affairs again.

 

[Captain X]

Border Patrol has 'no plans' to remove razor wire set up by Texas amid feud with Biden admin

U.S. Border Patrol has a strong relationship with Texas officials, and will not be cutting razor wire except in emergencies, a senior official tells Fox News.

www.foxnews.com

Border Patrol states they have no plan to remove razor wire at the border.

Biden may have already blinked.

They also might just be lying.

 

[Typhonis]

They also might just be lying.

It's the Feds. Of course, they would lie.

 

[DarthOne]

Border Patrol has 'no plans' to remove razor wire set up by Texas amid feud with Biden admin

U.S. Border Patrol has a strong relationship with Texas officials, and will not be cutting razor wire except in emergencies, a senior official tells Fox News.

www.foxnews.com

Border Patrol states they have no plan to remove razor wire at the border.

Biden may have already blinked.

They also might just be lying.

It's the Feds. Of course, they would lie.

Yeah put me down on the ‘probably lying’ side of things. The evidence in the article is pretty insubstantial. Also because Feds are liars.

 

[Abhorsen]

If Biden does Federalizes the guard it could lead to some interesting long-term ramifications you could for example see more funding dumped into the often-forgotten State Defense Force's in order to circumvent the possibility of The President intervening in State affairs again.

This is why bills like Defend the Guard are so vital. It stops Federal use of the National Guard unless a actual war is declared by congress.

Also, I support this just on federalism grounds, even if I didn't support closing the Border. Honestly, it's why I'm Happy California and NY became sanctuary states: they inadvertently really hit into federal power to enforce all kinds of laws, and now, using the lawsuits about immigrants as precedent, we can have 2A sanctuary states too.

 

[DarthOne]

 

[The Whispering Monk]

So...SOP for the Feddies at this point.

 

[DarthOne]

 

[Floridaman]

Darn this is quickly turning into the constitutional crisis that came out of nowhere. The most likely outcome of the deadline ending without a resolution with Abbott is Biden Federalizing the National Guard troops and forcing them to leave.

If Biden does Federalizes the guard it could lead to some interesting long-term ramifications you could for example see more funding dumped into the often-forgotten State Defense Force's in order to circumvent the possibility of The President intervening in State affairs again.

Or the other possibility the guard refuses and we get an American version of the collapse of the soviet union

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Or the other possibility the guard refuses and we get an American version of the collapse of the soviet union

That is far from an outcome I would prefer to discuss at the moment, it could spark a regional breakup, it could spark Spanish Civil War MK:2 I don't profess to be able to see that far into the future, nor do I like the idea of fanning the flames from the safety of the fireside.

 

[Bacle]

I think the first step will be Impeachment of Mayorkas and then Biden; that is the absolute best hope of this not going kinetic.

 

[Yinko]

I think the first step will be Impeachment of Mayorkas and then Biden; that is the absolute best hope of this not going kinetic.

There is zero chance of a presidential impeachment going through before the election. They take years. Both sides of the isle would have to want him out to get it done in any reasonable time frame, and if that were the case then his handlers would just reverse the border policy themselves.

 

[mrttao]

The democrats have a clear goal. Let as many invaders into the country before trump can be elected. They consider that a win no matter what.
And on top of that would make it easier for them to execute their vast voter fraud and power grabs

Texas acted correctly, and to be honest a little too late. This should have happened long ago.

 

[Abhorsen]

That is far from an outcome I would prefer to discuss at the moment, it could spark a regional breakup, it could spark Spanish Civil War MK:2 I don't profess to be able to see that far into the future, nor do I like the idea of fanning the flames from the safety of the fireside.

A collapse like the soviet union would honestly be a good thing, comparatively. Remember, the actual collapse was shocklingly near bloodless. IIRC, it was well under a hundred people in 1990 who died.

It really depends on what's left afterwards.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

This isn't just about cheap labor. The Democrats realise that Southerners will resent being forced to live alongside Mexican and Latin immigrants and will come into conflict with them. At which point the Dems can net them as a new voting block in the same way LBJ did with the blacks.

Some of them may be True Believers, but some are definitely cynical enough to pull such a twisted plot off. The only question is who fits which category, and whether the South can counter it. Because if it doesn't, the Dems will have TWO vote bank minorities in the South to counter the Bible Belt vote.

At that point, the Republican Party as we know it is history.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

It really depends on what's left afterwards.

And that's my point, arrogance in this matter is assuming it all goes your way, these matters are kind of like gravity pulled freight trains, once moving the only way to stop them is a messy derail.

A soviet style peaceful breakdown isn't the highest likely scenario in fact it's among the lowest, the more than likely to be a Spanish Civil War or Balkan Civil War, beyond that it's just as high of a possibility that if something happens it fizzles out and everyone involved is sent to the gallows leaving conservatives barred from government and pariahs for another couple of decades.

I don't tend to voice my real an unfettered opinion in most matters in how civil conflicts would go on here because in my opinion some will only serve to use them as proof of some self-fulfilling prophecy.

Beyond that it is beyond my means to control, what will happen, will happen.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

This isn't just about cheap labor. The Democrats realise that Southerners will resent being forced to live alongside Mexican and Latin immigrants and will come into conflict with them. At which point the Dems can net them as a new voting block in the same way LBJ did with the blacks.

This is pretty funny to me because we've been living and working with Mexican and Latin immigrants since Texas was it's own country.

If this belief is really a thing, it's simply b/c the Left is projecting their own sense of dislike upon others.

Just look at the stupidity of the LatinX term the Left has tried foisting on that minority.

 

[mrttao]

Just look at the stupidity of the LatinX term the Left has tried foisting on that minority.

It is really odd. since I have literally never found a latino that did NOT think latinX is offensive.
Yet they keep on using that slur against latinos despite that. Because they are the ones who decide what is offensive or not

 

[SoliFortissimi]

If this belief is really a thing, it's simply b/c the Left is projecting their own sense of dislike upon others.

Who do the Latin immigrants vote for more, Dems or Republicans? And by what margins?

There's your answer. Leftists, as always, are exploiting social conflict for political power.

 

[Bacle]

Who do the Latin immigrants vote for more, Dems or Republicans? And by what margins?

There's your answer. Leftists, as always, are exploiting social conflict for political power.

You do realize it's not just Hispanics coming over the southern border, correct?

And that not just 'southerners' have issues with illegal immigrants, right?

As well, treating all Hispanics as a monolith is a massive mistake. The one's who come here legally are some of the biggest pushers of border security, and many Hispanic families in the Southwest have roots pre-dating the Mexican-American War.

Trump was making inroads with the Hispanics in the US who are here legally, don't undermine that because you want to paint with a wide racial brush.