The Coming Far Right Backlash

[Agent23]

A pretty interesting video from youtuber WhatifAltHist

 

[LordDemiurge]

WhatifAlthist is always a hit or miss, but I think he's very apt here.

Something I'll comment to add to the prediction is probably that we'll see an increasing amount of disillusionment on the 'left' given the nature of the progressive purity spiral.

The biggest recent example is probably Ana Kasparian from the Young Turks, who used to be at the tip of the progress spear, getting cancelled all simply because of this tweet.

Generally speaking, this from my own experience as one of them, leftist circles are far more self-policed than they were since before 2016 The concept of a devil's advocate is abhorred. The new tenets once established are considered pretty much no longer up for debate. I've seen discussions go into just really awful positions without any thought because of it.

In the past there was a level of moderation and openness that made it easy to keep the wool over your eyes. Laughing at extreme SJWs was a lot more accepted. However there is an increasing amount of blatant 'it isn't happening, it is happening but it's not a big deal, it is happening and its a good thing its happening' that really can't be covered up.

Progressives routinely tear people apart who agree with them on 90% of issues over the missing 10%. But then act shocked when those people link up with outsiders who are willing to break bread on 10% and simply disown them entirely as having never been 'true leftists' in the first place.

It is to be expected I supposed. A tumor grown large enough eventually feeds on itself.

 

[Captain X]

The biggest recent example is probably Ana Kasparian from the Young Turks, who used to be at the tip of the progress spear, getting cancelled all simply because of this tweet.

The hilarious part of that is Zuby being the first one to comment, predicting exactly what happened.

 

[LordDemiurge]

predicting exactly what happened.

I haven't trawled too far since I don't like twitter's format, but now that I look at it, there's a few other gems to note.

Ana: They have the right to speak their piece, as do I.(In response to Zuby)

Some random twitter activist: Since you claim to "support the trans community", why haven't you said anything about the hundreds of anti-trans bills being passed all over the country? Did someone remove your right to speak on that, too?

Literally an attack pulled from the ether conjured from what a person did not say in a sentence. Par for the course sadly.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I mean, we literally have examples of it on this sub. Pre-2020 a fair few users here were Classical Liberals of a stripe, but after the Covid shit show they are now up to the gills in Black Pills and bitterly angry with the current state of things.

All that’s needed for a lot of very angry young men with no hope for the future, is a leader. After that things get nasty.

 

[Yinko]

WhatifAlthist is always a hit or miss, but I think he's very apt here.

He's iffy on predicting the future, but even then his observations are usually pretty on point. I don't think anyone here is arguing that his points are wrong when dealing with the present, but there are so many variables in the future that it makes it unpredictable.

If we went to war with China and there was a draft, how would that affect national sentiment among the young men? If a post-scarcity AI nanny-state comes into being, then will that make young men more or less pissed off?

There seems to be this weird cult of youth in western politics at the moment. Trotting out someone who looks young and fresh-faced shows that "this is a problem that the leaders of the future care about" or something like that. It's really weird. A trend like this could mean that the "coming leader of the far right" might be some 19 year old, which would scare the piss out of me.

 

[Zyobot]

I mean, we literally have examples of it on this sub. Pre-2020 a fair few users here were Classical Liberals of a stripe, but after the Covid shit show they are now up to the gills in Black Pills and bitterly angry with the current state of things.

All that’s needed for a lot of very angry young men with no hope for the future, is a leader. After that things get nasty.

He's iffy on predicting the future, but even then his observations are usually pretty on point. I don't think anyone here is arguing that his points are wrong when dealing with the present, but there are so many variables in the future that it makes it unpredictable.

If we went to war with China and there was a draft, how would that affect national sentiment among the young men? If a post-scarcity AI nanny-state comes into being, then will that make young men more or less pissed off?

There seems to be this weird cult of youth in western politics at the moment. Trotting out someone who looks young and fresh-faced shows that "this is a problem that the leaders of the future care about" or something like that. It's really weird. A trend like this could mean that the "coming leader of the far right" might be some 19 year old, which would scare the piss out of me.

The leader in question:

More seriously, though, I'm fairly sure that soon after World War II disappears from living memory, the angry youths in question will look to someone scarily akin to a certain mustachioed Austrian from back in the day and be more than happy to unleash death camps, genocide, and total war anew.

Don't expect Zombie Hitler to literally show up in 2053 or for the angry youths to resurrect his regime wholesale, mind you. But looking to Hitler for "inspiration" in building the Western version of ISIS or an ultra-reactionary Khmer Rouge in much the same way as Lenin and the Bolsheviks styled themselves after the Jacobins and the French Revolution? Not impossible at all — and in fact, terrifyingly likely by my estimation.

 

[Yinko]

More seriously, though, I'm fairly sure that soon after World War II disappears from living memory, the angry youths in question will look to someone scarily akin to a certain mustachioed Austrian from back in the day and be more than happy to unleash death camps, genocide, and total war anew.

Most people aren't automatically skeptical of anyone who says that they have all the answers. Hell, they're actively looking for someone to tell them the answers to all their problems. That kind of leader has "an answer" to sell, and usually sells it quite well. Fear and anger are some of the easiest ways to rise to power, some of the most powerful political emotions, along with envy and disgust.

 

[Zyobot]

Most people aren't automatically skeptical of anyone who says that they have all the answers. Hell, they're actively looking for someone to tell them the answers to all their problems. That kind of leader has "an answer" to sell, and usually sells it quite well. Fear and anger are some of the easiest ways to rise to power, some of the most powerful political emotions, along with envy and disgust.

Like I said, all the more reason to watch with wary eyes as the "Führer of the West" (or someone close enough) makes themselves known in the 2050s or later.

They may hold weight now, but once World War II has faded out of living memory and the survivors' Boomer children have gone virtually extinct, expect the residual trauma and guilt to die with them — as well as for desperate and progressively more extreme cohorts of radicalized youth to rally around anyone who stands in stark opposition to the failing Globalist system.

After all, I doubt it's a coincidence that World War I broke out a few decades after the last living Napoleonic Wars veterans passed on. And while it may not have been the only (or even the primary) cause, I'm quite sure the fact the generation of leaders in power in 1914 never lived through the last great conflict (and in fact, perceived it as a dim memory at most) made them much less hesitant to kickstart one of their own. Obviously, they learned the hard way why that's a bad idea — and once World War II is as distant to us as the Napoleonic Wars were to the leadership of 1914 Europe, so will we.

 

[Yinko]

once World War II has faded out of living memory and the survivors' Boomer children have gone virtually extinct, expect the residual trauma and guilt to die with them

Maybe sooner. I watched "Inside Man" from 2006 last night. It was like watching something from a foreign country. A banker with a guilty conscience for having helped the Nazis dispose of stolen wealth, plus anti-Muslim racism. A movie like that could not be made today, no one would take it seriously.

 

[Zyobot]

Maybe sooner. I watched "Inside Man" from 2006 last night. It was like watching something from a foreign country. A banker with a guilty conscience for having helped the Nazis dispose of stolen wealth, plus anti-Muslim racism. A movie like that could not be made today, no one would take it seriously.

Not sure I follow?

And in any case, it's just one movie, as opposed to a cross-section of how an entire society (or at least, a substantial percentage of that society) is feeling at a given point.

Sure, it's theoretically possible that World War III might start tomorrow, courtesy of the leadership of either side making one wrong move or playing Russian roulette with the world's two largest nuclear arsenals. But other than that, Hitler still remains the gold standard for evil in the West, though I suppose the problem with that is the stigma surrounding him and the Holocaust is fading fast and will be just about gone by the time I'm my dad's age. At this rate, I'm starting to predict that "Gigachad Nazis" (or some future equivalent) will become a viral meme that worryingly large numbers of people take seriously by 2050-ish.


Like I said, I doubt it'll take the form of a straight-up "Fourth Reich" under the rule of literal Zombie Hitler. But Neo-Crusader ISIS or an ultra-reactionary Khmer Rouge run by the "Neo-Gnostic" version of Pol Pot or Abu Bakr Al-Bagdadi spreading like wildfire all across the Western World, per what I expressed here and here in the Cyclical History Thread? Yeah, pretty much where I see the coming Far-Right backlash heading.

 

[Yinko]

Not sure I follow?

It used to be common in media for anyone who helped the Nazis in any way to either be villains or deeply remorseful. It never shows up in media today because people would not understand the sentiment.

though I suppose the problem with that is the stigma surrounding him and the Holocaust is fading fast

Exactly. And the more the term "nazi" or the comparison "this is just like the nazis" or "basically Hitler" get thrown around the faster they fade.

 

[Zyobot]

It used to be common in media for anyone who helped the Nazis in any way to either be villains or deeply remorseful. It never shows up in media today because people would not understand the sentiment.

Exactly. And the more the term "nazi" or the comparison "this is just like the nazis" or "basically Hitler" get thrown around the faster they fade.

In other words: "If everyone's a Nazi, then no one is."

Seems like an on-point observation to me, though the fact all the "crying wolf" in the decades before may give actual Nazis (or other likeminded extremists, such as "Neo-Crusaders" who more resemble a pan-Western version of ISIS or Al-Qaeda) the cover they need to bewitch the masses and carry out their own slew of genocides only makes things worse. We won't like the end consequences of that at all, I fear. 😔

 

[Yinko]

though the fact all the "crying wolf" in the decades before may give actual Nazis (or likeminded extremists) the cover they need to bewitch the masses and carry out their own slew of genocides only makes things worse.

Wasn't there some leftist move a year or two ago to stop teaching any history that was "sad"? That could screw up some stuff too.

 

[Zyobot]

Wasn't there some leftist move a year or two ago to stop teaching any history that was "sad"? That could screw up some stuff too.

No idea, though at this point, it's entirely possible that happened somewhere at some point.

Don't have the time or will to wad through years' worth of articles or social-media posts to locate it at the moment, but if I find anything, I'll try and get back to you on that.

 

[LordDemiurge]

"Neo-Gnostic

You know, this probably just my personal bias and my own state of religious confusion, but I do notice gnosticism is becoming more overt and popular in conspiracy theories and pop-culture.

The constant Matrix references and hell, even the fact we use blackpilled and redpilled so commonly in discussions like, is indicative.

In a post-modern world where everything is relativized and people are constantly brow beaten by fleshy materialism, the nonexistence of meaning and essence, and when the elite insist on roleplaying as Archons its easy to see why.

Discussing the future religions of the world is probably deserving of its own thread..

 

[Zyobot]

You know, this probably just my personal bias and my own state of religious confusion, but I do notice gnosticism is becoming more overt and popular in conspiracy theories and pop-culture.

The constant Matrix references and hell, even the fact we use blackpilled and redpilled so commonly in discussions like, is indicative.

In a post-modernist world where everything is relativized and people are constantly brow beaten by fleshy materialism and the nonexistence of meaning and essence, its easy to see why when the elite insist on roleplaying as Archons.

Not a bad observation, if I'm being honest.

Certainly no theologian, but for myself, I'm guessing Far-Right blowback could also contain a distinctly anti-materialist, "anti-Mammon" streak in opposition to Globalist economics and denigration of everything spiritual nowadays.

At the very least, I'd say the odds of an ultra-reactionary (and quite possibly apocalyptic) "Neo-Gnostic" faction that hates the material world and seeks to burn it all down coming out on top by being ISIS levels of fanatical and bloodthirsty are worryingly high. In which case, they would certainly crush more "moderate" elements who are more akin to Al-Qaeda or the Taliban in terms of how extreme they are (which is still way too much).

Discussing the future religions of the world though is probably deserving of its own thread.

Was hoping to start up a 'Could Polytheism Return Throughout The West?' thread myself, yeah.

While not entirely germane to what you're after, who knows what the next thousand (or two) years will bring? After all, I doubt Julius Caesar foresaw Christianity arising and supplanting traditional Roman polytheism, so maybe a swing all the other way is in the cards for 2323 or so. Could be anything, really.

 

[Cherico]

I think he drastically under estimates the establishments willingness and capacity to use violence.

I think they very much want to kill a whole fuck load of people, and I look at todays conservative establishment and i don't see a group of people who are willing to fight for their base or even like them very much.

My money is that the first uprising ends with the conservatives stabbing their base in the back and their mass murder, but none of the issues that caused people to get this pissed off get solved in fact Id bet on the establishment doubling down on humilating men expecially young ones.

And new populists figures will continue to show up.

the 2050s is right about when I expect the Mariss figure to show up, I don't think we are due for a ceasar quite yet, I don't think that person has even been born yet, but I strongly suspect that our equivelent of Maris and Sulla are alive right now.

 

[Agent23]

I mean, we literally have examples of it on this sub. Pre-2020 a fair few users here were Classical Liberals of a stripe, but after the Covid shit show they are now up to the gills in Black Pills and bitterly angry with the current state of things.

All that’s needed for a lot of very angry young men with no hope for the future, is a leader. After that things get nasty.

I think that the economy and the coverups and the censorship need to get a bit worse for that to happen, but I think it will happen at some point.

However, the initial leadership might come from within as opposed to without the Cathedral.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

People have active imaginations, but there will be no great civil war for the whole United States, no grandiose climatic fight. The decline of empires is like falling down a long flight of stairs. There isn't a big, glorious concluding event. It's just a slow, long fall where you gradually lose more and more along the way and eventually are forgotten.

Our population is so domesticated that they would never fight for anything. When the police comes for their guns, most will give them up. The death cult controls the schools, the news, and the entertainment industry. Most people have been conditioned to buy their message. Even if some people don't, they're not going to resist, because resisting means being fired from your job or fined by the government and being unable to engage in the economy and losing your TV and movies and video games. It is hard to grow up with such comfort and then give it up. Even if someone was willing to give it up, they would hopefully recognize the futility of trying to fight against a vast, self-perpetuating system. They will have no serious financial aid and won't have the numbers to accomplish anything significant. They would only be hunted and either 1. live their lives in hiding as the government becomes increasingly better able to track people, 2. give up and flee the country and try to fit in as a foreigner in a different land, or 3. be eventually captured and used as boogeymen by the media and accelerate the agendas they were trying to fight against. The best they can hope for is being able to set up their own little communities, their own no-go zones where the police won't try to encroach upon.