Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

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SuperHeavy said:
Apparently from previous posts the NCR is thinking of Texas and the Brotherhood less like valued allies and more like ablative armor. Of course that might prove problematic if that ablation fails to bleed the US attacks white before they reach the NCR heartlands and they are left high and dry.
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Given that even the Texan soldiers don’t buy into Enclave Derangement Syndrome, it was only a matter of time till they stopped working with the NCR
 
Duke Nukem said:
What was the tank that was firing mini nukes, was it a new one?
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E-US light tanks already introduced, firing specialist ammo.

SuperHeavy said:
Apparently from previous posts the NCR is thinking of Texas and the Brotherhood less like valued allies and more like ablative armor. Of course that might prove problematic if that ablation fails to bleed the US attacks white before they reach the NCR heartlands and they are left high and dry.
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Well - the BOS fought a literal decades-long war with them. And with the NCR's goal being to be the pre-eminent nation in North America with all others being in their sphere of influence if not outright puppets ...

Also - apparently some new CC content reveals that the BOS in canon spent literally 0 effort in building any infrastructure or institutions in the Capital Wasteland in the ten years they had to do it in. With the result that (predictably) it all collapsed back into a state of anarchy as soon as they left for Boston.

Vindication.
 
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Navarro said:
Also - apparently some new CC content reveals that the BOS in canon spent literally 0 effort in building any infrastructure or institutions in the Capital Wasteland in the ten years they had to do it in. With the result that (predictably) it all collapsed back into a state of anarchy as soon as they left for Boston.
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I'm sorry, but what!? Wasn't Danse's whole thing in Fallout 4, about the order they brought with them? And that they reformed (then counter-reformed just a tiny bit) into taking others under their wing while starting this new feudalistic society, with everyone below them being vassals and giving up food and other resources, while in return the BoS just murdered anyone who decided to be a raider or slaver?

It makes zero sense that they would leave their established base behind just to essentially become a roving band of power-armored raiders, compared to power-armored conquerors/order-restorers who were making an expansion into a territory that looked ripe for taking and had dangerous robots replacing people running around that probably should be dealt with before they became too big of a potential threat to all mankind.
 
Navarro said:
Apparently they did leave some dudes to hold the fort at the Citadel, but still ...


EDIT: Just watched a video of it. Apparently Three Dog was murdered by Talon Company and his radio station destroyed.
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This is not what was originally implied in Fallout 4. This all feels like a retcon.

And I really liked the idea of the BOS establishing a technofeudal empire across the east coast. Why must Bethesda screw everything up?
 
TyrantTriumphant said:
This is not what was originally implied in Fallout 4. This all feels like a retcon.
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Yep. I had the idea that BoS rule was functional, if oppressive - not a nomadic horde wandering around looting advanced technology then leaving.

And I really liked the idea of the BOS establishing a technofeudal empire across the east coast. Why must Bethesda screw everything up?
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Heh, it would have been interesting.

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Here's the quest in total:



EDIT 2:

Terminals seem to imply that the Enclave hired the Talon Company to invade. They have vertibirds now, for what it's worth. Also Three Dog isn't confirmed dead, just missing.

EDIT 3: This discussion actually seems more fitting for the main Fallout thread.
 
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Navarro said:
USA: 30 million
NCR: 18 million
MwBOS: 6-8 million
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Ouf that is not a good population disparity when you are trying to fight a wide front land war. Couple that with a smaller industrial base, likely with less automation, and the NCR could be caught in a downward spiral real fast. The war needs more troops, so you conscript more men, the factories are starved, the army has less material, you lose more troops, the war needs more men, etc.
 
SuperHeavy said:
Ouf that is not a good population disparity when you are trying to fight a wide front land war. Couple that with a smaller industrial base, likely with less automation, and the NCR could be caught in a downward spiral real fast. The war needs more troops, so you conscript more men, the factories are starved, the army has less material, you lose more troops, the war needs more men, etc.
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The NCR has China on their side

Question is, what does China get out of this? I am betting they plan on getting part of the USA’s territories and raw resources

Man this is sorta reminding me of Kelly Turnbull-Collapse

But with the Californians NOT being Neo-Marxists and actually having a proper military. Still getting chinese help though
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
The NCR has China on their side
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True but I doubt they are capable or willing of sending a few million men and the supplies they will be needing to make up the difference. They have to ship everything across the Pacific after all and going all in could mean a restocked US nuclear arsenal settling the issue. After all the US might not want to nuke the territory it wants to reclaim but I doubt China thinks they feel the same about them.
 
SuperHeavy said:
True but I doubt they are capable or willing of sending a few million men and the supplies they will be needing to make up the difference. They have to ship everything across the Pacific after all and going all in could mean a restocked US nuclear arsenal settling the issue. After all the US might not want to nuke the territory it wants to reclaim but I doubt China thinks they feel the same about them.
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I wonder, aside from the NCR who actually believes all the Anti-Enclave Propoganda?

Even the NCR’s President believes it

The Texans don’t

Who actually does?
 
China might simply because it's nice to imagine the worst of the faction that turned a significant portion of your population into radioactive vapor. Europe is on the US's side, South America probably just wants to avoid getting involved, and Africa might be overrun with a sentient hivemind of termites for all we know.
 
SuperHeavy said:
China might simply because it's nice to imagine the worst of the faction that turned a significant portion of your population into radioactive vapor. Europe is on the US's side, South America probably just wants to avoid getting involved, and Africa might be overrun with a sentient hivemind of termites for all we know.
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I always thought it was possible that Australia, New Zealand, and probably New Caledonia are just fine but likely reduced to Amish levels of tech or just about ww1 tech. I could see the same with South Africa.
 
High Lord Rokland said:
I always thought it was possible that Australia, New Zealand, and probably New Caledonia are just fine but likely reduced to Amish levels of tech or just about ww1 tech. I could see the same with South Africa.
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I'm thinking more of a mix, lots of farmers doing manual labor, but lots of guns around

No factories for said guns and bullets though
 
Navarro said:
That's what's happening on the coast. In the Outback there are all sorts of tribes and more primitive proto-civilisations who have legends of an ancient culture hero named Max ...
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Say, just how many wasteland warlords has the Enclave slaughtered?

I am thinking that it’s a sort of bizarre sight, that “the Government” arrives and kills the army of crazy looking drug addicts in leather and makeshift weaponry

Then maybe puts a warlord on trial, using terms the latter doesn’t understand or ever thought he’d hear occur to anyone else
 
I'm a bit confused why you'd treat something from the Creation Club as canon. It's just a quick and dirty mod someone slapped together, not DLC.

That said, I'd believe that the Brotherhood didn't really do any infrastructure building. They were stomping mutants and raiders, not trying to build a nation.

At most, I could see them improving the roads a bit to make it easier to ship Aqua Pura.
 
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