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The Political Problem of Pornography

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Do you think if people didn’t have access to Netflix, Uber eats, pornhub, etc that the lockdown would have been able to be enacted?
Yes.

Though there would have been 5% more rioting.

It takes a long time for a society to be pushed to the point of revolution you seriously have to continuously fuck up for a long period of time. Looking at our neo optimates I firmly belive they are capable of fucking up that badly.
 

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I think you underestimate how much being able to stuff people with comfort plays into being okay with the fundamental aspects of their rights being completely trampled on.
As previous rulers and empires have noted, people can live without dignity or without basic needs being met. However, if both is taken away, then you have a nasty situation brewing real quick.
 

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I'm not entirely sold on the viability of operation "back to the 90s" and its attempt to ban all porn that's not behind a paywall, but he's right in that it's probably more politically viable than a total ban. I just don't know if it's viable enough to actually pass.
 

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I'm not entirely sold on the viability of operation "back to the 90s" and its attempt to ban all porn that's not behind a paywall, but he's right in that it's probably more politically viable than a total ban. I just don't know if it's viable enough to actually pass.
In the US, it's still unconstitutional. The obscenity exemption is a hole that will always be just too small to put anything through, and putting a type of tax on a type of speech is blatantly unconstitutional.
 

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In the US, it's still unconstitutional. The obscenity exemption is a hole that will always be just too small to put anything through, and putting a type of tax on a type of speech is blatantly unconstitutional.
Doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be tried, unless you have a better idea?
 

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Or you could just mock and ridicule people that look at porn, call them degenerates until it sticks and shame them into compliance. Its not like you can't get people to do something without pointing a gun at them.
 

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In the US, it's still unconstitutional. The obscenity exemption is a hole that will always be just too small to put anything through, and putting a type of tax on a type of speech is blatantly unconstitutional.
Also it would be a bad idea, Porn companies have the most insitutional knowlege of how to beat censorship in this country that is a useful ally to have in this political enviornment.
 

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In the US, it's still unconstitutional. The obscenity exemption is a hole that will always be just too small to put anything through, and putting a type of tax on a type of speech is blatantly unconstitutional.
There's probably a way (there already is some limit, since you have to pinky swear you're 18 when you visit porn sites, but don't have to do that elsewhere), the issue is theres no will.

Also it would be a bad idea, Porn companies have the most insitutional knowlege of how to beat censorship in this country that is a useful ally to have in this political enviornment.
I'm not sure they would really be motivated to fight this. They'd be going from either having thier content straight up stolen, or having it reposted on another site they own where they're getting pennies from ad revenue rather than the much more lucrative subscriptions.

They'd likely suffer a net loss in traffic, but I'm not sure that would translate to a lose of revenue.
 

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In the US, it's still unconstitutional. The obscenity exemption is a hole that will always be just too small to put anything through, and putting a type of tax on a type of speech is blatantly unconstitutional.
Hopefully we can get judges who will widen that hole.


Also it would be a bad idea, Porn companies have the most insitutional knowlege of how to beat censorship in this country that is a useful ally to have in this political enviornment.
No, the dissident right has the most lol. Porn doesn’t have hardly anything. Porn doesn’t do much at all to get around censorship, it’s heavily and actively promoted by the liberal regime.
 

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No, the dissident right has the most lol. Porn doesn’t have hardly anything. Porn doesn’t do much at all to get around censorship, it’s heavily and actively promoted by the liberal regime.
No, they very much do still have a staggering amount of institutional experience in such dodging because the financial system still doesn't like them, and they're subject to a ton of top-heat crimes so they need to be on their toes ready to bolt in ways basically nobody else does, at least in the United States. A teen lying about her age doesn't get SWAT teams in 24 hours for normal businesses. And the meatspace studios have a lot left over from the 80s and earlier when the "Moral Majority" types weren't joking.

The dissident right is still getting its foundations set up. The porn industry invented a lot of the methods being used to build it.
 

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Doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be tried, unless you have a better idea?
Don't impose morality on others? I'm not in favor of it even if it were constitutional. And it's a very bad idea to be pro any kind of censorship when fighting against a block that uses censorship. Every win you get will be used against you, and all that effort will counteract the progress you've made for free speech elsewhere.

Worse, you've sacrificed any attempt at moral high ground and appeal to basic american values such as free speech, as you have become another "Free speech for me, but not thee" person.

There's probably a way (there already is some limit, since you have to pinky swear you're 18 when you visit porn sites, but don't have to do that elsewhere), the issue is theres no will.
It's a good thing there's no will. The less censorious the better.

Hopefully we can get judges who will widen that hole.
If you also want them to take similarly large holes in the 2nd amendment and the rest of the first amendment, sure.
No, the dissident right has the most lol. Porn doesn’t have hardly anything. Porn doesn’t do much at all to get around censorship, it’s heavily and actively promoted by the liberal regime.
And that you think this makes me even more confident that the right won't ever come up with a solution.
 

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Yeah, my better idea would be to not try to ban it at all.
Is the momentary pleasure you get in return for unhealthy self-indulge worth that much to you?

Don't impose morality on others? I'm not in favor of it even if it were constitutional. And it's a very bad idea to be pro any kind of censorship when fighting against a block that uses censorship. Every win you get will be used against you, and all that effort will counteract the progress you've made for free speech elsewhere.
You think the moral high ground really matters a damn anymore?!

As for it being ‘unconstitutional’ I’m fairly certain the Founders has higher ideals in mind there. Not even they could have imagined how bad things have gotten.

And I fail to imagine that such a law, IT crafted carefully and specifically would backfire. Especially if it’s done to restrain who can produce pornography, which can be posted online. Trying to take down all the porn-YouTube’s out there is probably a futile goal. However, there can be ways to mitigate the issue...
 
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You think the moral high ground really matters a damn anymore?!

As for it being ‘unconstitutional’ I’m fairly certain the Founders has higher ideals in mind there. Not even they could have imagined how bad things have gotten.

And I fail to imagine that such a law, IT crafted carefully and specifically would backfire. Especially if it’s done to restrain who can produce pornography, which can be posted online. Trying to take down all the porn-YouTube’s out there is probably a futile goal. However, there can be ways to mitigate the issue...
The moral high ground is 100% about what this fight is all about. Leftists try to take it by calling others racist, we take it back by appealing to American values. And censorship has never been one.

As for it being unconstitutional, you are banning a type of speech because it is viewed as bad. That's exactly what the 1st is trying to stop. Leftists use the same argument you are using here with guns "Oh, the founder's never could have imagined machine guns".

And restricting who can produce porn definitely has bad effects. It'll offshore porn to other countries, who may or may not really care what age the performers are.
 

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The primary distributors of CP are twitter and facebook, look how much effort they put into not dealing with that when they literally spend millions on stopping you from sending rude messages, and just try to imagine how it would go if you tried to make some laws about normal porn.
Huh. I wonder if it would even be legal for them to use the same algorithms? Because the algorithms machine learning uses operate on a shitton of data, so you'd need every company trying to write an algorithm to have gigs and gigs of child porn to run tests against to train.
 
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