Not saying that I am saying Christians and Jews have done more for Western Civilization than Atheists ever will. History has already proven that.Why can’t Atheists be Libertarians instead of Communists?
Just google all of the great people of European History and look at what religion they were. Answer me this if Atheism has been so great. How come it is currently presiding over the Fall of Europe?Now you just sound full of yourself.
Not saying that I am saying Christians and Jews have done more for Western Civilization than Atheists ever will. History has already proven that.
They like what that Marxs fellow wrote down. That I what I think at least. Look at how many of them on Spacebattles have Joe Stalin Avatars.Okay, though I’m really wondering why most Atheists look to be Communists or very very Far Left Leaning or Statist or kinda obsessed with Centralization
They like what that Marxs fellow wrote down. That I what I think at least. Look at how many of them on Spacebattles have Joe Stalin Avatars.
Some pretty major other factors working there. Two World Wars fought majorly on European soil with death tolls in the tens of millions on a continent with only ~400 million in total at the time(s) and massive decolonization and aftereffects of those wars prominent among them in spurring European decline. Also, decline began a good while before secularization did in the 60s--and even to this day there's a good bit of Europe who remain religious (Poland as the obvious example--and their religiosity didn't spare them fifty years of gun-enforced Soviet 'brotherhood'), so unless we're dartboarding a new Golden Age for the Poles, this kind of providentialism seems ill-placed.Point of fact when Europe was still keeping with Christianity. They were on the rise. When they decided to forsake God they started to decline. It is pretty damn clear. Like it or lump it.
Eastern Europe does not seem to be having the problems Western Europe is having with the exception of Ukraine for obvious reasons.Some pretty major other factors working there. Two World Wars fought majorly on European soil with death tolls in the tens of millions on a continent with only ~400 million in total at the time(s) and massive decolonization and aftereffects of those wars prominent among them in spurring European decline. Also, decline began a good while before secularization did in the 60s--and even to this day there's a good bit of Europe who remain religious (Poland as the obvious example--and their religiosity didn't spare them fifty years of gun-enforced Soviet 'brotherhood'), so unless we're dartboarding a new Golden Age for the Poles, this kind of providentialism seems ill-placed.
Eastern Europe does not seem to be having the problems Western Europe is having with the exception of Ukraine for obvious reasons.
They were polytheistic. The Greeks and Romans had their gods and goddesses for a lot longer than Judaism and Christianity has been around. You realize that them and Islam are still referred to as "young" religions, right?Just google all of the great people of European History and look at what religion they were.
I could make the same kind of argument about any religion presiding over many past horrors that have taken place, including what was done to the indigenous peoples of the Americas. I'm not saying Natives were perfect little angels either, but look up the Sand Creek massacre sometime and tell me that's what good Christian folk do.Answer me this if Atheism has been so great. How come it is currently presiding over the Fall of Europe?
By that logic, we could blame basically anything that happened around the time the decline started, or even claim that the opposite is the case; that instead of "forsaking god" causing the decline, the decline caused them to "forsake god". Correlation does not imply causation.Point of fact when Europe was still keeping with Christianity. They were on the rise. When they decided to forsake God they started to decline. It is pretty damn clear. Like it or lump it.
For many, if not most people, they want there to be a higher power that is in charge of destiny. They find the idea comforting and they find the idea of ultimate justice to help deal with the petty injustices of life.Okay, though I’m really wondering why most Atheists look to be Communists or very very Far Left Leaning or Statist or kinda obsessed with Centralization
Believe what you want but Eastern Europe that still remains Christian is not having the trouble Western Europe is. And if Western Europe does not change they will deserve what they get.By that logic, we could blame basically anything that happened around the time the decline started, or even claim that the opposite is the case; that instead of "forsaking god" causing the decline, the decline caused them to "forsake god". Correlation does not imply causation.
Some pretty major other factors working there. Two World Wars fought majorly on European soil with death tolls in the tens of millions on a continent with only ~400 million in total at the time(s) and massive decolonization and aftereffects of those wars prominent among them in spurring European decline. Also, decline began a good while before secularization did in the 60s--and even to this day there's a good bit of Europe who remain religious (Poland as the obvious example--and their religiosity didn't spare them fifty years of gun-enforced Soviet 'brotherhood'), so unless we're dartboarding a new Golden Age for the Poles, this kind of providentialism seems ill-placed.
... ... ...I dunno, I feel like this stance utterly ignores the simple fact that many/most of those atrocities were simply out of reach of 'Christendom' due to to technological constraints.This is clearly reflected in the relative scales of brutality inflicted by 'Christendom' over the centuries it dominated Europe, and in the 20th century alone by totalitarian atheist regimes.
For many, if not most people, they want there to be a higher power that is in charge of destiny. They find the idea comforting and they find the idea of ultimate justice to help deal with the petty injustices of life.
If you remove religious belief, you don't remove that urge, and so many people will then focus that desire for something in ultimate control that provides justice to the next most powerful REAL thing they can see: government. Thus the strong correlation between atheism and leftist, big government politics, esp. communism. Those systems offer "justice" against the small injustices that they see and gives them assurance of being cared for and something being in control.
This doesn't apply to all atheists, of course, but I think it might explain the correlation. There's other reasons for it too, like, in the US, the alliance between religion and the right (and thus rejection of religion also entailing a rejection of right wing politics), as well as the more ready embrace of the sexual revolution by the left wing.
Speaking as a former atheist, I reject the idea that amorality is an integral component of Athiesim. You do not need to be religious, let alone Christian, to have a functional moral framework and know that deploying chemical weapons against innocent people is wrong!From an atheistic framework, morality is nothing more than a matter of personal preference, and there's no ethical difference between deploying chemical weapons against your own citizens, and pouring gasoline down an ant-hole in your back yard.
Speaking as a former atheist, I reject the idea that amorality is an integral component of Athiesim. You do not need to be religious, let alone Christian, to have a functional moral framework and know that deploying chemical weapons against innocent people is wrong!
Speaking as a former atheist, I reject the idea that amorality is an integral component of Athiesim. You do not need to be religious, let alone Christian, to have a functional moral framework and know that deploying chemical weapons against innocent people is wrong!