The Americas The Tyranny within Canada: Trade War and Collapse

[Circle of Willis]

It isn't a tariff "war".
Everyone put tariffs on USA gods. USA is the only country too fucking dumb to put Tariff's back.

Also, USA literally has the world center banking and central currency. Meaning when USA prints money the entire world has inflation. A lot of people died to make it this way.
The fact it has no Tariffs is beyond retarded.

I think he was posting from a Canadian PoV.

It really seems like he's saying it's stupid because Alberta can just Wexit and the rest of Canada is extremely fucked.

At least that's my take away.

Pretty much. I don't particularly blame Americans for not wanting to subsidize the rest of the planet for all time. On the other hand, I think this entire mess was highly avoidable on the Canadian side, unfortunately the LPC is hopelessly addicted to extreme-left virtue signaling and that most certainly includes going out of their way to antagonize Trump in particular for being the avatar of everything globohomo commands them to hate. Also there's no denying that traditional Canadian nationalism has always included, at the very least, a mild strain of anti-Americanism as basically a survival mechanism to differentiate Canada from the much bigger neighbor with whom it's strongly economically integrated and has a 90%+ commonality as far as culture, language, etc. go, but Trudeau et al. have taken it way beyond the traditional 'sisterly rivalry' levels as part of their more general anti-Western-civilization crusade while aggressively shitting on all the other, more positive aspects of said Canadian nationalism which don't even have anything to do with America as well.

Furthermore with our bounty of natural resources, the bleeding obvious logic behind stuff like the Energy East & Northern Gateway pipelines to exploit said resources for our benefit, and previously low population, Canada should theoretically have been a resource behemoth with paradisaical living conditions that would have every reason to stay in America's good books as a positive trading partner & ally. But no. Gotta destroy our own infrastructure projects to appease insane watermelons and the First Nations, and also bring in infinity Indians in a mad rush to try to hit a population of 100 million by 2100 because reasons (which are only comprehensible to demented globalists like Mark Carney, the likeliest contender for our next PM alongside Freeland).

The same shitlibs who have attempted to convert their image overnight from the smuggest anti-Canadian, anti-white and anti-Western-in-general globohomo catamites to the most fervent Canadian nationalists evah and who now screech about how critical it is that we reduce our dependence on the US were literally the exact same people who sabotaged every possible project to actually reduce said dependence this past decade, so yeah.

 

[mrttao]

I think he was posting from a Canadian PoV.

It really seems like he's saying it's stupid because Alberta can just Wexit and the rest of Canada is extremely fucked.

At least that's my take away.

Alberta should totally do that.

 

[Husky_Khan]

the Canadian Shopify co-founder (and Billionaire) Tobi Lutke took to social media to defend Trump's tariffs and criticized Trudeau's retaliatory tariff policies.

CEO of Canada’s 2nd biggest company defends Trump’s tariff demands, slams Trudeau for not stopping trade war

“These are things that every Canadian wants its government to do, too. These are not crazy demands, even if they came from an unpopular source,” Tobi Lutke, who co-founded Shopify, said…

nypost.com

 

[StormEagle]

I honestly think Trudeau is the single dumbest man to ever hold a country’s executive position. At least in the modern era.

Kier is giving him a run for his money, but Castro Jr. has ten years on the old Marxist robot.

 

[mrttao]

> Tariff war final nail in canada's coffin
> Canda Balkanizes
> Trump sweeps up a few of the more conservative canadian states to become additional states in USA.

kek.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

AB, SK, and maybe MB would go, along with the NWT. Absorbing BC would be like having a California clone, but with freezing weather.

 

[Captain X]

Honestly, even the prairie provinces would be like adding another Minnesota, each. And that wouldn't be good.

 

[S'task]

I honestly think Trudeau is the single dumbest man to ever hold a country’s executive position. At least in the modern era.

Kier is giving him a run for his money, but Castro Jr. has ten years on the old Marxist robot.

Is Biden disqualified from the running due to his dumbness being due to age related decline rather than natural?

 

[ATP]

> Tariff war final nail in canada's coffin
> Canda Balkanizes
> Trump sweeps up a few of the more conservative canadian states to become additional states in USA.

kek.

Good idea,as long as you left woke prowincies as independent states.
And Qebec,no matter if they are woke or not.Nobody need more french!

 

[mrttao]

Good idea,as long as you left woke prowincies as independent states.
And Qebec,no matter if they are woke or not.Nobody need more french!

Yes, absolutely

 

[Typhonis]

Maybe sell Qebec back to France to make a quick buck?

 

[mrttao]

Maybe sell Qebec back to France to make a quick buck?

No, france is ultracucked.
would fill it with muslims.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Or you can split it. Northern Quebec becomes the new state of Ungava.

 

[sander093]

pressing [F] to doubt.
if your liberals are running against trump that is a boon for your conservative party.
also, pretty sure you didn't even have real democracy anyways. you were not going to "wipe out the liberals".

also what sovreignity, canada is a defacto colony of china now.

Going to echo @AnimalNoodles here. You really don't seem to know what you're talking about.

Before Trumps Tariff/51st tweets Trudeau had nothing going for him. His much vaunted Carbon Tax was deeply unpopular, the GST/HST holiday was met with a meh. The biggest story in Canadian politics was how Trudeau was keeping the names of ten compromised MP's secret, something that was ever sapping away at Trudeau's voter support. And gave the PP yet another thing to rake Trudeau over during any debates. To the point everything was pointing to the LPC potentially loosing official party status.

Then like every time over the past decade where Trudeau has been in political trouble, POTUS comes sweeping in to give him a shot in the arm. Just like in 2019 Trump came by to give Trudeau and the LPC what they needed to keep going.

Overnight we went from a Carbon Tax/Pipeline/Corruption election to a Tariff election. And here was LPC golden boy standing up for Canadians*, and bad boy PP wouldn't. So instead of floundering about trying to defend things that are unpopular/indefensible the LPC now has a banner to rally around. And with Carney being a 'fresh' face for the LPC has let them distance themselves from the past nine years, all thanks to Trump and his inability to not tweet.

And now instead of being forced to cover Trudeau's corruption as the only big story, the media's focus has shifted to the Tariffs. And thanks to that bill last year (or was it 23), that 'forced' Google to 'pay' for news stories from smaller outlets, resulting in Google no longer showing stories from those outlets**.

Now PP has pivoted, see Canada First rally last weekend, to try and shift things from a Tariff election to a Canadian Unity election, something the LPC is very weak on even with the leadership shakeup.

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As for Drug Trafficking/Illegal Immigration.

Illegal Immigration from Canada to the US doesn't happen the same way it does from Mexico to the US (US to Canada is a smaller scale version of Mexico to the US). It's not primarily border hoppers crossing in the middle of the wilderness. The bulk are people who go through the normal border stops 'legitimately', usually with the help of US 'N'GO's.

Drug Trafficking into the US is more of a BC issue instead of a Canada issue, along the rest of the border the drugs tend to flow north not south.

Clearing out the BC drug rings will take three things:
1. Popping the housing bubble.
2. Trade war with China.
3. Police crackdown.

Two of those things are non-starters in the face of Trump tariffs. And realistically also can't be done with Trudeau's economy (which will be at least the first six months of PM PP at best). If PP can get the economy shored up doing one of those things at a time will be an option provided he also doesn't need to deal with a US trade war.

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*Yes I'm well aware of the irony given his policies.
**Almost certainly the intent to get around pesky accusations of censorship. If you notice it basically cleared out anti-Trudeau stories from Google search.

 

[mrttao]

Going to echo @AnimalNoodles here. You really don't seem to know what you're talking about.

Before Trumps Tariff/51st tweets Trudeau had nothing going for him. His much vaunted Carbon Tax was deeply unpopular, the GST/HST holiday was met with a meh. The biggest story in Canadian politics was how Trudeau was keeping the names of ten compromised MP's secret, something that was ever sapping away at Trudeau's voter support. And gave the PP yet another thing to rake Trudeau over during any debates. To the point everything was pointing to the LPC potentially loosing official party status.

Then like every time over the past decade where Trudeau has been in political trouble, POTUS comes sweeping in to give him a shot in the arm. Just like in 2019 Trump came by to give Trudeau and the LPC what they needed to keep going.

Overnight we went from a Carbon Tax/Pipeline/Corruption election to a Tariff election. And here was LPC golden boy standing up for Canadians*, and bad boy PP wouldn't. So instead of floundering about trying to defend things that are unpopular/indefensible the LPC now has a banner to rally around. And with Carney being a 'fresh' face for the LPC has let them distance themselves from the past nine years, all thanks to Trump and his inability to not tweet.

And now instead of being forced to cover Trudeau's corruption as the only big story, the media's focus has shifted to the Tariffs. And thanks to that bill last year (or was it 23), that 'forced' Google to 'pay' for news stories from smaller outlets, resulting in Google no longer showing stories from those outlets**.

Now PP has pivoted, see Canada First rally last weekend, to try and shift things from a Tariff election to a Canadian Unity election, something the LPC is very weak on even with the leadership shakeup.

-----

As for Drug Trafficking/Illegal Immigration.

Illegal Immigration from Canada to the US doesn't happen the same way it does from Mexico to the US (US to Canada is a smaller scale version of Mexico to the US). It's not primarily border hoppers crossing in the middle of the wilderness. The bulk are people who go through the normal border stops 'legitimately', usually with the help of US 'N'GO's.

Drug Trafficking into the US is more of a BC issue instead of a Canada issue, along the rest of the border the drugs tend to flow north not south.

Clearing out the BC drug rings will take three things:
1. Popping the housing bubble.
2. Trade war with China.
3. Police crackdown.

Two of those things are non-starters in the face of Trump tariffs. And realistically also can't be done with Trudeau's economy (which will be at least the first six months of PM PP at best). If PP can get the economy shored up doing one of those things at a time will be an option provided he also doesn't need to deal with a US trade war.

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*Yes I'm well aware of the irony given his policies.
**Almost certainly the intent to get around pesky accusations of censorship. If you notice it basically cleared out anti-Trudeau stories from Google search.

1. I didn't say anything in the quoted post about illegal migration / fentnyl from canada to USA (although that is an issue). I said Canada is a de-facto colony of china right now. It is chock full of chinese migrants loyal to the CCP who are influencing elections.

2. The govt controlled propaganda mills were always going to spin some lies. The notion that without trump's comments they would be FORCED to expose the public to the govt corruption is incredibly naive.

3. I don't think Canadians are quite as mentally retarded as you make them out to be. To all suddenly forget the corruption, the jailing and debanking of the truckers, the economy being in the shitter, the insane prices at the grocery store, etc.

4. Trump has shown massive competence in dismantling corrupt govt, and canada fake democracy is extremely corrupt. So any Canadian with half a brain would be begging for USA to annex and save them. In fact I have seen canadians begging USA to liberate them for a while.

5. Trump's election has shown that the general public is getting their news from influencers and twitter rather than MSM.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

3. I don't think Canadians are quite as mentally retarded as you make them out to be. To all suddenly forget the corruption, the jailing and debanking of the truckers, the economy being in the shitter, the insane prices at the grocery store, etc.

You really dont understand what you are talking about. Take a look at the polls on this issue. If some idiot in the USA starts foaming at the mouth about annexing us, people are gonna rally around the flag. Trump has fucked over the CPC twice now with his stupid mewlings. Just..STFU until the election is over.

If Trump was actually serious about the Fent issue and had a braincell, he would STFU for now, then once Poilievre came to power have his people approach him, QUIETLY, present his demands and offer the full backing of the American establishment if he deals with them.

The real issue in Canada isnt smuggling. Its the complicity of our banks and real estate companies in wholesale mass money laundering for criminal syndicates and foreign kleptocrats.

A complete reform is needed, and could be done with the quiet backing of Burgerstan. But the Liberal Party has no interest in doing this, because they are deeply enmeshed in it. So its actually in thier interest to provoke a trade war and economic devastation and then position themselves as the defenders of Canada against the neo-fenian yankees looking to annex us.

4. Trump has shown massive competence in dismantling corrupt govt, and canada fake democracy is extremely corrupt. So any Canadian with half a brain would be begging for USA to annex and save them. In fact I have seen canadians begging USA to liberate them for a while.

lol. Just....LOL. You truly dont understand our politics. I could explain carefully them but whats the point? Your brain wont accept any answers beyond 'Murrica, fuck yeah!'

 

[mrttao]

You really dont understand what you are talking about. Take a look at the polls on this issue. If some idiot in the USA starts foaming at the mouth about annexing us, people are gonna rally around the flag. Trump has fucked over the CPC twice now with his stupid mewlings. Just..STFU until the election is over.

Polls lie all the time. its meant to demoralize you.

The real issue in Canada isnt smuggling. Its the complicity of our banks and real estate companies in wholesale mass money laundering for criminal syndicates and foreign kleptocrats.

There are many many issues ruining canada right now.
and they are all connected.
when you get kleptocrats, they ruin everything.

lol. Just....LOL. You truly dont understand our politics. I could explain carefully them but whats the point? Your brain wont accept any answers beyond 'Murrica, fuck yeah!'

Your "politics" is a commie hellhole. I understand it quite well.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Polls lie all the time. its meant to demoralize you.

There are many many issues ruining canada right now.
and they are all connected.
when you get kleptocrats, they ruin everything.

Your "politics" is a commie hellhole. I understand it quite well.

Yup, as I suspected, you are essentially ineducable on these issues.

 

[shangrila]

I'm not certain the U.S. would prefer the Conservatives in power. Encouraging the wokest, least competent government possible, whose majority is unstable and based on emotional thinking, is arguably preferable for an opponent in negotiation.

It's not as if the Conservatives aren't basically the equivalent of Obama's democrats from a decade ago. They wouldn't be natural friends and even friends wouldn't happily give up things they had gotten used to for decades and are now going away. Better to beat it out of an enemy than to take it from a friend.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I'm not certain the U.S. would prefer the Conservatives in power. Encouraging the wokest, least competent government possible, whose majority is unstable and based on emotional thinking, is arguably preferable for an opponent in negotiation.

It's not as if the Conservatives aren't basically the equivalent of Obama's democrats from a decade ago. They wouldn't be natural friends and even friends wouldn't happily give up things they had gotten used to for decades and are now going away. Better to beat it out of an enemy than to take it from a friend.

You are assuming that current Canada is our friend. Just because someone is not directly at war with us (yet) does not mean we are friends.