The War in Afghanistan

[Zachowon]

...By leveling entire city blocks at the worse, one entire building at the minimum. That goes against killing targets without destroying the entire building.

Yeah, he/she is dead. As soon as they find out, they'll burn them to death or something.

That Afghan Only Fans girl? Unless her thirsty simps donate enough for her to be privately extracted or something, she's going to be killed or stoned or something under Islamic law as a whore. So, yeah, I wouldn't accept any cheques from her.

If the USAF member is still there and is captured.


And it is more flashy

 

[Arch Dornan]

That Afghan Only Fans girl? Unless her thirsty simps donate enough for her to be privately extracted or something, she's going to be killed or stoned or something under Islamic law as a whore. So, yeah, I wouldn't accept any cheques from her.

I'm not sure if that was fake or not without her actual profile to verify.

Pol's response was in thotpatrol mode. Haram edition with stoning.

 

[Aldarion]

Huh.
What could they have done differently? Why is it our fault the ANA were corrupt, untrustworthy, infiltrated by the Taliban, money seeking idiot of high command?
It is almost like they never wanted us to leave and were ill prepared for us to.
WHAT COULD WE HAVE DONE?
Once you answer that, you will get your answer

You could have actually built onto the existing social structures. There is a reason why modern militaries - and modern states - fail in the areas where tribal identities are still strong. You did the same mistake in Afghanistan that Saruman did with his own army-building, trying to force a professional army onto a society that simply could not handle it:

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This is the third part of a series taking a historian’s look at the Battle of Helm’s Deep (I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII. VIII), from both J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Two Towers (1954) and …

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[Zachowon]

You could have actually built onto the existing social structures. There is a reason why modern militaries - and modern states - fail in the areas where tribal identities are still strong. You did the same mistake in Afghanistan that Saruman did with his own army-building, trying to force a professional army onto a society that simply could not handle it:

Collections: The Battle of Helm’s Deep, Part III: The Host of Saruman

This is the third part of a series taking a historian’s look at the Battle of Helm’s Deep (I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII. VIII), from both J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Two Towers (1954) and …

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Because America isn't a Tribal country so we won't understand that

 

[Aldarion]

Because America isn't a Tribal country so we won't understand that

In that case you had no business attempting to do anything in Afghanistan.

EDIT: I'd say major part of the problem is that United States are an empire that prefers to pretend not being one. So instead of acting in a logically coherent manner of an actual empire, you guys go around exporting "human rights", "democracy" and other such bullshit. No wonder all US-supported projects have constantly failed ever since World War II.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Does anyone know how many US citizens are in Afghanistan?

Military & Governmental employees
Civilian Contractors (Mercs if you prefer)
Journos
Volunteers
Etc...

 

[Marduk]

In that case you had no business attempting to do anything in Afghanistan.

EDIT: I'd say major part of the problem is that United States are an empire that prefers to pretend not being one. So instead of acting in a logically coherent manner of an actual empire, you guys go around exporting "human rights", "democracy" and other such bullshit. No wonder all US-supported projects have constantly failed ever since World War II.

I think the pattern is even simpler. As long as USA occupies an orderly, highly developed country with a culture that naturally supports this, it succeeds in setting up an orderly, highly developed country (what a fucking coincidence). That's what happened with 2 major powers it occupied after WW2, Germany and Japan. As for the countries that aren't orderly and highly developed to begin with, well...
I suggest that if some day USA needs to restore trust into its myth of nation building ability, they should find a reason to occupy Sweden, Norway, or other such country.

 

[Pocky Balboa]

Cry more Zeller, you CIA asshole. You, in your own words, happily voted for that senile twat. The shit on the bed is on you and every Orange Man Bad fucktard out there.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Small protest of Women against the Taliban policies in the streets of Kabul.

 

[Zachowon]

Well, they are gonna die

 

[Arch Dornan]

Small protest of Women against the Taliban policies in the streets of Kabul.

That only works if the reigning government gives a shit.

 

[Arch Dornan]

I feel bad for the Afghani females but can you say the patriarchy won?

 

[Bassoe]

I think the pattern is even simpler. As long as USA occupies an orderly, highly developed country with a culture that naturally supports this, it succeeds in setting up an orderly, highly developed country (what a fucking coincidence). That's what happened with 2 major powers it occupied after WW2, Germany and Japan. As for the countries that aren't orderly and highly developed to begin with, well...
I suggest that if some day USA needs to restore trust into its myth of nation building ability, they should find a reason to occupy Sweden, Norway, or other such country.

The only reason nation-building worked then was because the nations being built knew that if the US gave up, the Soviet Union would take over the job. And them.

 

[Marduk]

The only reason nation-building worked then was because the nations being built knew that if the US gave up, the Soviet Union would take over the job. And them.

Counterpoint: South Vietnam, everything in South and Central America. Not very functional and orderly.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The failure of the progressive agenda.

 

[Aldarion]

The only reason nation-building worked then was because the nations being built knew that if the US gave up, the Soviet Union would take over the job. And them.

Counterpoint: South Vietnam, everything in South and Central America. Not very functional and orderly.

Basically, US nation building only worked in situation when it was not really necessary.

 

[Marduk]

Basically, US nation building only worked in situation when it was not really necessary.

Or more precisely, it only works when it is nation rebuilding rather than nation building.

 

[DarthOne]

 

[DarthOne]

Nolte: The Disastrous Neocon Ideology Dies in Kabul

Nolte: The Disastrous Neocon Ideology Dies in Kabul

Watch America's residual neocons now that their 20-year experiment has failed, collapsed, and died all in a single day.

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If you want a good laugh, watch America’s residual neocons now that their 20-year experiment has failed, collapsed, and died all in a single day.

In Afghanistan, America spent trillions of dollars, lost thousands of precious lives, and toiled for 20 years to make the neocon fantasy of nation-building come true. World peace is easy! they told us. We need to liberate oppressed peoples, build schools and roads, and give them the right to vote. If we do that, peace will break out all over!

For 20 years, these fools have been telling us the fruition of their fantasy was right around the corner. For 20 years, our country poured blood and treasure into their stupid experiment, and in one day — a single day — it all fell apart.

In one day, the Taliban took Afghanistan back.

The neocon experiment is such a failure that after a 20-year investment, it only took one day to prove it a failure.

Of course, our army didn’t lose to the Taliban. Of course, our technology is superior. No one doubts that. But we still failed for one simple reason… Too many Afghans chose the 7th century over the 21st century. Too many Afghans chose their barbaric way of life, their barbaric customs, their warlords and tribal leaders over self-determination and democracy.

As a reformed neocon, as someone still embarrassed over his support for this stupid idea that American lives and tax dollars are well-spent spreading democracy in countries full of cavemen, the remaining neocon dead-enders are really something to watch today … to the surprise of no one, not a single one is willing to admit this whole debacle began when America’s mission in Afghanistan evolved from wiping out the terrorists who hit us on 9/11 to turning a barbaric country into a thriving democracy.

There’s no question that back in 2001, we needed to go into Afghanistan and take care of business. For it was there where the international terrorists who hit us on 9/11 were allowed to plot and scheme and find safe harbor. That threat had to be eradicated, and our victory against that threat occurred in just a couple of weeks. On October 7, 2001, Taliban rule collapsed. That’s when we should have left with a victory in hand, our heads held high, and the world warned not to fuck with us.

Instead, we stayed and stayed and stayed and stayed, and 2,448 of our soldiers died, including two just this year (at the hands of the Taliban), all under this ludicrous neocon idea that the Afghans are all a bunch of Thomas Jeffersons yearning to be free. And now, instead of walking out of Afghanistan strong and victorious on October 8, 2001, we are skedaddling with our tails between our legs. We’re humiliated and not only look foolish and cowardly, but we are now a country no one should trust to keep our promises to stay and protect those who ally with us.

Well, those promises never should have been made to begin with. It is not in our national interest to waste any time, money, or lives to reform cavemen. And only fools such as Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, John Bolton, George W. Bush, Max Boot, Liz Cheney, and Steven Hayward can look at the breathtaking results of the incontrovertible failure of their beliefs and say different.

Yes, there is plenty to criticize about His Fraudulency Joe Biden’s catastrophic and inept withdrawal plan, but that doesn’t change the fact that this disaster began on October 8, 2001 — the day after the U.S. met its objectives and stupidly decided to listen to the neocons and stick around for another 20 years.

This catastrophe in Afghanistan only ended with Biden. Let’s never forgot it began with a failed neocon ideology that deserves a place on the scrapheap of history right next to communism.

VIDEO: Pentagon Won’t Comment On Whether They Even Tried To Destroy Abandoned Military Equipment In Afghanistan

VIDEO: Pentagon Won't Comment On Whether They Even Tried To Destroy Abandoned Military Equipment In Afghanistan

Major General Hank Taylor was asked about abandoned Afghan military equipment during a Pentagon press conference on Monday. Taylor is a logistics expert on the Joint Chiefs of Staff and is the current director of operations in Kabul. An unidentified reporter asked the general if the U.S. had...

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Major General Hank Taylor was asked about abandoned Afghan military equipment during a Pentagon press conference on Monday. Taylor is a logistics expert on the Joint Chiefs of Staff and is the current director of operations in Kabul. An unidentified reporter asked the general if the U.S. had conducted any airstrikes over the last 24 hours. He also asked if any steps were being taken to prevent equipment from being captured by the Taliban. “Is the U.S. taking any other sort of steps to prevent aircraft or other military equipment from falling into the hands of the Taliban?” Taylor was asked.

“No strikes have been conducted in the last 24 hours, but the commander on the ground continues to maintain that capability if required to do so,” Taylor replied. “I don’t information on the second part of the question,” he added in regards to the question about equipment. “So there’s no, no U.S. action is being taken to prevent equipment from falling into the hands of the Taliban by destroying it or anything else?” the reporter followed up. “I don’t have the answer to that question,” the general affirmed.






Around $83 billion of the $145 billion the U.S. government spent trying to rebuild Afghanistan went towards building up and maintaining Afghanistan’s military and police forces. Almost all of the Afghan army’s equipment has either been captured or destroyed after the army disintegrated in the face of the Taliban advance.


Taliban fighters have posted several propaganda videos with captured U.S.-made and donated equipment. Militants have posted several videos of large weapons caches looted from across the country, as well as hundreds of Humvees and armored vehicles. The militants have also seized sophisticated military vehicles such as UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters and Scan Eagle UAV drones.





Several Afghan army units also fled across into neighboring countries in recent weeks, including Iran. Multiple vehicle columns consisting of Humvees and armored vehicles were admitted to Iran as the Afghan army collapsed. Former Afghan troops also fled into neighboring Turkmenistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan. Along the border with Uzbekistan, a large number of Afghan military vehicles were abandoned on a bridge while the soldiers and militia members manning them were allowed to enter the country. The bridge, known as “the Friendship Bridge”, is the same bridge Soviet troops used to withdraw from Afghanistan in 1989.




President Trump mentioned abandoned Afghan military equipment in a statement on Monday. “Can anyone even imagine taking out our Military before evacuating civilians and others who have been good to our Country and who should be allowed to seek refuge? In addition, these people left topflight and highly sophisticated equipment. Who can believe such incompetence? Under my Administration, all civilians and equipment would have been removed,” said Trump.

 

[Zachowon]

LOL Humvees gonna fall apart on them by the end of the month.
Blackhawks useless long term.
A strike in some of these areas .as not be wanted.
We should strike as many as possible though