PeaceMaker 03
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I am stealing this to post elsewhere do you want your name
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Things get worse in The Southwest
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f1onagher
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Yes, I would and thank you for asking. And could you share where you're using it? I just want to see the conversation.
DarthOne
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Want to Close Your Store in San Fran? New Proposal Would Require Six Months Notice and a Replacement
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
nypost.com
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
Supermarket owners would be required to make a “good faith” effort to ensure the location they leave behind will be used for another grocery story.
nypost.com
Inb4 people shift to renting instead of owning the physical store and sell the businesses they want to close to a LLC destined to go bankrupt, or just leave the state to somewhere that won't enforce the bullshit. If we are talking supermarkets only, welp, they can afford lawyers to do this sort of legal maneuvers easily.Want to Close Your Store in San Fran? New Proposal Would Require Six Months Notice and a Replacement
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
Supermarket owners would be required to make a “good faith” effort to ensure the location they leave behind will be used for another grocery story.
Well, this is going to be hilarious.
This reminds me of when people in the unincorporated small town I grew up in threw a collective tantrum when the local K-Mart closed and Home Depot secured a long-term lease on the vacant space. This was an unincorporated small town on the outskirts of the Los Angeles metropolitan region so there was plenty of access to other stores, but that K-Mart had been the only major store in the town proper, and people were *furious* about losing it.
Home Depot ended up having to sue the town after building permits were illegally and arbitrarily denied despite substantial efforts to compromise (by adding features like a food court and other secondary retail). But they ended up dropping the lawsuit when it stopped making economic sense to build a store at all. So now the town has nothing, and they can cry harder about it.
(I'm going to point out here that they were basically pissed about losing the "natural" fifteen-minute convenience of a small town, something which illustrates *why* larger cities are starting to incorporate fifteen-minute concepts in their urban planning. It's literally just good design.)
Home Depot ended up having to sue the town after building permits were illegally and arbitrarily denied despite substantial efforts to compromise (by adding features like a food court and other secondary retail). But they ended up dropping the lawsuit when it stopped making economic sense to build a store at all. So now the town has nothing, and they can cry harder about it.
(I'm going to point out here that they were basically pissed about losing the "natural" fifteen-minute convenience of a small town, something which illustrates *why* larger cities are starting to incorporate fifteen-minute concepts in their urban planning. It's literally just good design.)
Most retail stores are long term commercial leases in the first place.
Like, it's understandable that people get upset when the *only* grocery store they have convenient access to closes down, but trying to ban store closures is a non-solution.
This is literally a wild idea that a couple of rando state legislators are pushing. It's not really reasonable to sneer at the whole city as if this had widespread support, especially when the discontent it addresses *isn't* a "liberal thing".
Want to Close Your Store in San Fran? New Proposal Would Require Six Months Notice and a Replacement
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
Supermarket owners would be required to make a “good faith” effort to ensure the location they leave behind will be used for another grocery story.
the easier fix would be just to throw out every single political leader in san franciso and replace them with non retarded leadership.
PeaceMaker 03
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I like the logic, can the residents sue the political hacks that have made the situation so bad that businesses can not afford to make enough profit to stay open, in blue states?
Morphic Tide
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Not really, one of the underlying issues is that the area is a horribly fragmented clusterfuck of municipalities making it literally impossible to have urban planning for the overall metropolis.
Terthna
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Worse, it's likely to cause store owners to flee San Francisco before the new law goes into effect.
DarthOne
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Can’t blame them for that.
Yes and no.
In most states, a city can disincorporate itself, which permanently dissolves the legal entity of the city and turns it back into unincorporated territory within the county that contains it. A city can also contract its borders by "withdrawing", which converts the abandoned portions of the city back into unincorporated territory while leaving the city government intact.
A city doesn't have the authority to issue city charters, so it cannot directly break up into smaller cities. Areas of a former city which meet the state's requirements for city status may apply for incorporation immediately after disincorporation, but this is legally a completely separate process. That remains true even if the area applying to incorporate was formerly another city which merged with a neighbor; they cannot declare "backsies" and restore their original city charter. Of course, nothing prevents a newly incorporated ex-merge from being socially and culturally considered a rebirth of the former city. It just wouldn't *legally* be the same entity.
Blasterbot
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you can't draw blood from a stone. if the store is going out of business and isn't profitable due to theft and regulation they probably aren't going to have much money to sue over unless they had multiple stores and are just shutting down one location that is particularly unprofitable.Want to Close Your Store in San Fran? New Proposal Would Require Six Months Notice and a Replacement
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
San Francisco lawmakers want to let city residents sue grocery stores that close
Supermarket owners would be required to make a “good faith” effort to ensure the location they leave behind will be used for another grocery story.
Indeed.
It might be just a few crazies who are floating this idea, but word of it will probably drive business out of the region.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
There are non-crazy people on the Board?
So forty years ago Dianne Feinstein was a voice of reason. Let that sink in for a moment.
Since then the SF went further down the hole of progressive lunacy, which means there is a good chance of this insanity going through. A policy by lunatics and idiots for lunatics and idiots. Unfortunately, the effects of this measure will force more lunatics and idiots out of asylum and into wide world, to spread the Californian brand of lunacy and idiocy to yet uninfected parts of country.
So forty years ago Dianne Feinstein was a voice of reason. Let that sink in for a moment.
Since then the SF went further down the hole of progressive lunacy, which means there is a good chance of this insanity going through. A policy by lunatics and idiots for lunatics and idiots. Unfortunately, the effects of this measure will force more lunatics and idiots out of asylum and into wide world, to spread the Californian brand of lunacy and idiocy to yet uninfected parts of country.
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SoliFortissimi
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San Francisco, like many rich polities in the last century, seems to have reached that level of affluence where they don't even consider economic downfall a realistic possibility. And of course, most of their craziest policies are being mandated by people who can always be sure that the consequences of their policies will reach them last.