Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War
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Not suprise.Another proof,that Putin is idiot - Armenia goverment could be pro-Soros,but Karabach is home of adrent russian supporters,and those russian supporters are massacred just now.
Tf they lost their homes,survivors become ardent anti-russians.
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Armenia basically rejected Russia in favor of a pro western and pro EU orientation. Honestly Russia’s perspective makes sense.
Nope,becouse turks are massacring now not people who rejected Putin,but dudes from Karabach who love mother russia.
If turks attacked Armenia and people who rejected Putin,you would be right - but they massacring Putin supporters just now.
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The Armenians have only themselves to blame. They wanted to move towards the EU, and spat on their protectors. If they had remained properly as they ought be-a Russian vassal they’d actually have greater Russian support. And people in Karabakh wouldn’t be dying.
You missed my point.Those who are dying are prorussian armenian from Karabach,which had nothing to do with armenian politics.Those who defied Russia are safe in Armenia.
Idiot Putin is letting his more ardent supporters die,when those who defied him are safe.
Did they though? Complementarianism is a pretty common diplomatic outlook for tiny countries surrounded on every side by big boys? They never went full anti-Russian even in 2018. It certainly wasn't as acrimonious as similar things in the Baltic States and Ukraine or Georgia goodness forbid. I mean Armenia still has the Russian military bases and is still a member of the Eurasian Economic Union without any quibbles of wanting to leave it AFAIK. Plus the new President has pursued stronger ties with Iran which isn't exactly something the West looks favorably on. The current leadership is just not Russian-centric.
Seems more like Russia doesn't want to intervene because they're friends with both Azerbaijan and Armenia and don't want to compromise one for the other and if the fighting remains contained in the NKR Putin's apparently willing to make that sacrifice so that he won't alienate either country diplomatically.
Sixgun McGurk
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Those people are only pro russian out of self interest, because they saw the invasion coming. Putin will have many new supporters to replace them once the Armenians get a cease fire and the humiliation sets in. There is no motivation for Putin to step in prematurely and perhaps upset more important trends.
And now it is the only one that can save them from total defeat.
Only idiots or children support other countries for other reason that self interest.And what kind of idiots would support him when he let people who supported him die ?
Except part of germans elite,of course.
Sixgun McGurk
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They would never support Putin to be dictator, but will gladly let him be their distant economic overlord. The casualties that supported ties with Russia didn't want him running things directly either. They will support Putin out of self interest and intelligence, understanding that when you live in a pit of circling Muslim wolves its good to stand beside the Orthodox bear. Especially when the bear doesn't demand too much. Putin didn't 'let' anyone die. Armenians themselves made stupid choices in their leadership, believed the idiots that urge them to follow Soros' false 'vote yourself rich' doctrine and now nature has stepped in to administer this harsh lesson. Soros and his ilk specialize in spreading rot and capitalizing on the ignorance of the lowest level electorate to subvert democratic republics to his group's overall purpose of denationalization, the withering of the importance of electorial representatives and worldwide bureaucratic central economic control. Armenia is lucky that it has received such a stinging slap of awakening.
If Putin do not save Karabach,he would awaken to reality when basically nobody would belive in his promises.Becouse armenian dying in Karabach are his supporters,and those who considered Soros offert are safe in Armenia.
But considering that we are taking about dude who could turned Russia into second China,bit choosen Venezuella variant, i am not suprised.Colonels of KGB would never become good tsars.
Crow gotta eat
That peckish, patriotic, Protestant passerine.
Well, it looks like another ceasefire is about to go into effect.
www.state.gov
U.S.-Armenia-Azerbaijan Joint Statement - United States Department of State
Armenian Foreign Minister Mnatsakanyan and Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Bayramov met with Deputy Secretary Biegun and reaffirmed their countries’ commitment to implement and abide by the humanitarian ceasefire agreed in Moscow on October 10.
www.state.gov
Duke Nukem
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Well, it looks like another ceasefire is about to go into effect.
U.S.-Armenia-Azerbaijan Joint Statement - United States Department of State
Armenian Foreign Minister Mnatsakanyan and Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Bayramov met with Deputy Secretary Biegun and reaffirmed their countries’ commitment to implement and abide by the humanitarian ceasefire agreed in Moscow on October 10.
Peace is spreading faster than Covid.
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Sixgun McGurk
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paulobrito
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Russia treaties with Armenia only deal with defending Armenia - if even - in the case of 'proper' Armenia been invaded. That is not the case.
Also, Russia is more or less allied / friendly with both nations, so not interested in interfering military in this conflict.
That, on top of the actual regime in Armenia, is more interested in allying with EU / NATO than Russia.
So, little if any motives for Russia to interfere. Or you think that Erdogan & Cº don't know that?
Also, Russia is more or less allied / friendly with both nations, so not interested in interfering military in this conflict.
That, on top of the actual regime in Armenia, is more interested in allying with EU / NATO than Russia.
So, little if any motives for Russia to interfere. Or you think that Erdogan & Cº don't know that?
All true.Problem is,regime which is pro - EU is in proper Armenia,which is not attacked,when people dying in Karabach had own goverment abd are pro-russians.Those people are dying now,not those who defied Putin.
He is making example by letting his supportes die to show Armenian who opposed him...what exactly? then he would punish those loyal to him if other disobey ?
Colonels from KGB should never run country.
Tryglaw
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A possible scenario - Armenia gets whipped, looses some ground in "separatist" areas; Russia steps in and stops the fighting.
Popular backlash rightly blames and removes from power pro-Western forces (with a wee bit help behind the scenes if needed) replacing them with pro-Russian ones.
Lost ground serves as stark reminder not to trade nearby solid friends for remote and nebulous ones...
Win-win for Russia as status quo is largely preserved, while neither side of the conflict was alienated.
(Sure, Russia could stomp Azeri with contemptuous ease, but that would only make a long-term enemy of them for no apparent gain.)
