Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

[PsihoKekec]

Karabach had own goverment abd are pro-russians.

That government is even less independent than those two in Donbass, it is just a fig leaf for Erevan, before the international community. They are just as pro-Russian as the current Armenian government.

He is making example

No he is not, he is simply doing realpolitik. Quid pro quo is a thing you know.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Russia knocking Turkish drones from Armenian skies - Asia Times

The electronic warfare system is known as "Belladonna", a poisonous plant that gets its name from Renaissance women who used its extract for tinctures to

asiatimes.com

Has Russia come to the rescue at last?

 

[History Learner]

Russia knocking Turkish drones from Armenian skies - Asia Times

The electronic warfare system is known as "Belladonna", a poisonous plant that gets its name from Renaissance women who used its extract for tinctures to

asiatimes.com

Has Russia come to the rescue at last?

Hopefully.

 

[paulobrito]

Russia showing that is very good in EW land warfare. They have a good reason to create anti-drone weapons after all.

 

[Culsu]

Russia knocking Turkish drones from Armenian skies - Asia Times

The electronic warfare system is known as "Belladonna", a poisonous plant that gets its name from Renaissance women who used its extract for tinctures to

asiatimes.com

Has Russia come to the rescue at last?

Seems more like a pointed reminder to Azerbaijan by Russia to keep its ambitions limited to Karabakh.

 

[ATP]

Russia showing that is very good in EW land warfare. They have a good reason to create anti-drone weapons after all.

They used it when islamist attacked them with cyvilian drones in Syria.Good to knew,that it working for military models,too.

 

[Husky_Khan]

A surreal moment of modern war...

 

[PsihoKekec]

This reminds me of an event during the fluid phase of Donbass War, when a buss carrying replacement shift for Right Sector battalion checkpoint took a wrong turn and got to separatist checkpoint, where it was shot up. As they are checking the dead, on of the phones ring and one of the separatists picks it up, telling the mother that her son is dead.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Looks like the two sides have been trading bombardment of cities today, which is an exception to how Azerbaijan has typically just been bombarding cities in the NKR and then acting shocked and indignant when their own cities are targeted.

Civilians killed as Nagorno-Karabakh conflict deepens

Azerbaijan and Armenia accused each other of killing civilians by shelling cities in and around Nagorno-Karabakh on Wednesday, in an escalation of a month-long conflict over the mountain enclave that has defied three ceasefires.

www.reuters.com

This time Azerbaijan shelling destroyed Stepanakert's maternity hospital (as well as targeted NKR's other main city Shusha) while the Armenians allegedly shelled the Azeri city of Berda in Central Azerbaijan, apparently killing over twenty civilians.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Russia knocking Turkish drones from Armenian skies - Asia Times

The electronic warfare system is known as "Belladonna", a poisonous plant that gets its name from Renaissance women who used its extract for tinctures to

asiatimes.com

Has Russia come to the rescue at last?

Russia's position on this has been rather clear for a while.

It does not recognize the territory that Armenia took from Azerbaijan as legitimate. Therefore, it is not required or interested to defend said territory. They will however, keep Azerbaijan from trying to press any attacks into Armenia proper. Azerbaijan has an edge in this in that Turkey recognizes its right to retake the lost territory.

And Russia snickering because if I recall, they were the ones who drew the lines where lots of Armenians would be living in Azerbaijan from the get go. This is really just a part of Russia's divide and rule strategy.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Russia's position on this has been rather clear for a while.

It does not recognize the territory that Armenia took from Azerbaijan as legitimate. Therefore, it is not required or interested to defend said territory. They will however, keep Azerbaijan from trying to press any attacks into Armenia proper. Azerbaijan has an edge in this in that Turkey recognizes its right to retake the lost territory.

And Russia snickering because if I recall, they were the ones who drew the lines where lots of Armenians would be living in Azerbaijan from the get go. This is really just a part of Russia's divide and rule strategy.

That's back in the time when they were the Soviets?

 

[The Original Sixth]

That's back in the time when they were the Soviets?

When it collapsed, yeah.

Soviets were famous for drawing new state lines to ensure future conflicts.

 

[Arch Dornan]

When it collapsed, yeah.

Soviets were famous for drawing new state lines to ensure future conflicts.

Very awfully convenient but when you gotta let your former territory go the tendency to make it harder for the inhabitants after they're let go happens.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Very awfully convenient but when you gotta let your former territory go the tendency to make it harder for the inhabitants after they're let go happens.

I'm not judging them. It's simply fact.

 

[Arch Dornan]

I'm not judging them. It's simply fact.

Sure. I'm just not suprised at this point.

 

[paulobrito]

Soviets were famous for drawing new state lines to ensure future conflicts.

So, like the British and French?

 

[Tryglaw]

When it collapsed, yeah.

Soviets were famous for drawing new state lines to ensure future conflicts.

Not as much future conflicts, they certainly did not plan for the Union to collapse, but to draw borders in a way that would force all affected groups to look up to Soviet government to protect them.

Armenians in Azeri territory, Azeri in Armenian territory, both groups would have to look to central Soviet power for security, and in doing so make common cause with said power.

This allowed the Soviets to play various groups off each other.

Same with vast over-representation (at times over 60% of positions of authority while being about 1% of total population) of Jews in Stalinist security apparatus in Poland for example, they knew once the protective umbrella went away they could / would be made to account for their crimes, so they were extra loyal and over-diligent to avoid just that. Which of course made them even more hated, so they were even more loyal and diligent, which made them even more loyal and determined, which...
And so forth and so forth.

 

[The Original Sixth]

So, like the British and French?

Yes, but to be fair for the British and the French, it was more down to incompetence or negligence in a lot of cases. The Middle East for example, was drawn up on maps I think purely for the sake of their own strategic needs. Didn't consider the locals at all.

 

[PsihoKekec]

British drawn borders in India were very much done with ''playing different ethnicities against each other'' in mind

 

[Arch Dornan]

British drawn borders in India were very much done with ''playing different ethnicities against each other'' in mind

It worked. Pakistan's never been the same after Kashmir and losing Bangladesh when it was still east Pakistan.

Gandhi's killer is promoted as a hero.