Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Captain X]

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[Zachowon]

Yup, I served in the Navy, I served with several gay enlisted men.

Not a single one of them considered themselves members of the LGBTQ+ alphabet mafia.

But the Officers, gay or not, were all woke dingbats bar a very few exceptions.

Wokeness infests colleges.
The ones making decisions though are often the ones who went through a long time ago, maybe urged on by younger newer officers

 

[Agent23]

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, we really arnt?
He has no command and literally is just there to be the military atache with the Sec Def
And enlisted havnt changed. Officers are the ones that are the issue.
Because college.

 

[Bassoe]

Outbreak of piracy leading to the need for a drastic increase in Navy personnel to crew convoys. There's only so many people who will volunteer themselves a worse livelyhood for everyone else's bottom line, no matter how obvious it is, so long as it stays in the abstraction of the cost of goods.

It isn't a matter of needing boots on the ground to kick people's doors in and hold streetcorners, but of having enough hulls in the water to have a hope in Hell of watching out for the fuckhuge container ships.

...that seems unlikely, particularly given that interdicting pirates is much easier to do from the air, rather than the sea, and drones means larges areas can be continuously monitored.

And if the pirates have enough weaponry to take down drones and aircraft interdiction, then they also have a state sponsor, and we are back to more proxy-war bullshit.

Or, you know, you could relocate manufacturing back to the American rust belt so you didn't have to ship products halfway around the planet leaving them vulnerable to theft by pirates and we could have well-paying jobs available again? Besides piracy anyway?

 

[Agent23]

Yeah, we laugh at river piracy now, but the original robber barons started off as not all that legitimate toll collectors on the river Rhine, and the Vikings made extensive use of river systems to do their plundering and trading, and it was a big deal among the Cossacks and the various Rus successor states, too...
Also, that performer reminds me of the porn star Belladonna, older and plumper.

 

[Cherico]

Yeah, we laugh at river piracy now, but the original robber barons started off as not all that legitimate toll collectors on the river Rhine, and the Vikings made extensive use of river systems to do their plundering and trading, and it was a big deal among the Cossacks and the various Rus successor states, too...
Also, that performer reminds me of the porn star Belladonna, older and plumper.

One of the biggest accomplishments of the early america republican republic was crushing all of the piracy on the miss.

 

[Robovski]

One of the biggest accomplishments of the early america republican republic was crushing all of the piracy on the miss.

The Ohio used to have river pirates! My first grade school had pirates as a mascot because we had Cave-in-Rock in the area and it was a river pirate hidey-hole.

 

[JagerIV]

Can either of you present a realistic scenario where a conflict justifies a draft in the US, that doesn't involve conflicts with peer/near-peer nuclear powers?

An Iraq war done properly. Iraq had a population of 40 million. By the standard rule of thumb of 1 soldier to 40 civilians, the occupation force should have been roughly 1 million. Instead total occupation force, including non-Iraqi allies was closer to 200k.

If Mexico actually became a failed state and needed some "stabilizing" occupation was necesary, Mexico has roughly 130 million people so a full occupation would be roughly 3.25 million soldiers. A thinner dunbars number occupation of one soldier to 150 civilians would be a force of 860,000.

Both of these are theoretically fillable with the current forces, but other needs would make keeping such a force without conscription very difficult. Colonial occupations done properly require lots of bodies.

Plus of course keeping a large enough force that rebellion against the US remains inconceivable. The US needs to be large enough that the US miliary will win any plausible escalation ladder against domestic opponents. Otherwise people might shoot more FBI officers.

 

[Bacle]

An Iraq war done properly. Iraq had a population of 40 million. By the standard rule of thumb of 1 soldier to 40 civilians, the occupation force should have been roughly 1 million. Instead total occupation force, including non-Iraqi allies was closer to 200k.

If Mexico actually became a failed state and needed some "stabilizing" occupation was necesary, Mexico has roughly 130 million people so a full occupation would be roughly 3.25 million soldiers. A thinner dunbars number occupation of one soldier to 150 civilians would be a force of 860,000.

Both of these are theoretically fillable with the current forces, but other needs would make keeping such a force without conscription very difficult. Colonial occupations done properly require lots of bodies.

Plus of course keeping a large enough force that rebellion against the US remains inconceivable. The US needs to be large enough that the US miliary will win any plausible escalation ladder against domestic opponents. Otherwise people might shoot more FBI officers.

Iraq was not a 'war', it was a series of 'operations', and you need a war declaration before you can justify a draft; Congress would not give Bush a 'war declaration' over Iraq specifically because the evidence used to justify that invasion was so flimsy. We didn't go there to 'colonize' either, which is part of why no one tried to push a draft for Iraq.

As for the 'stabilizing/colonizing Mexico' scenario...maybe, but that scenario is effectively the US annexing Mexico, which is a whole other can of worms for reasons far beyond the draft. I also really don't think the 'stabilize/annex Mexico' scenario is one that will ever happen, either; we didn't annex Mexico during the Pershing Expedition or Tampico Incident, after all, and would have been far more justified and able to swing it domestically at that time.

 

[JagerIV]

Iraq was not a 'war', it was a series of 'operations', and you need a war declaration before you can justify a draft; Congress would not give Bush a 'war declaration' over Iraq specifically because the evidence used to justify that invasion was so flimsy. We didn't go there to 'colonize' either, which is part of why no one tried to push a draft for Iraq.

As for the 'stabilizing/colonizing Mexico' scenario...maybe, but that scenario is effectively the US annexing Mexico, which is a whole other can of worms for reasons far beyond the draft. I also really don't think the 'stabilize/annex Mexico' scenario is one that will ever happen, either; we didn't annex Mexico during the Pershing Expedition or Tampico Incident, after all, and would have been far more justified and able to swing it domestically at that time.

I mean, I'm answering the question of plausible non-peer reasons the Federal government might need conscription. There's quite a wide variety of plausible scenarios: non-peer wars take potentially huge numbers of soldiers, possibly more than some peer conflicts might need.

The Federal government will impose the draft if they feel the need to impose one. Most people are more or less sheep and will go along with whatever is needed: If the democrat/Republican elites flip of the necessity of the draft, that will bring 40-60% with them.

Edit:

Vast Majority of Americans Opposed to Reinstituting Military Draft

Only 18% of Americans think the United States should return to the military draft, which is similar to the levels Gallup has found since the Iraq war started. Historically, Gallup has, at times, found majority support for reinstituting the draft, in particular after the Soviet Union invaded...

news.gallup.com

Support for the draft hovers around 20%. It its diluted to "Mandatory national service" about 50% support that. So, vaguely positive feeling to a draft seems to be in the 15-30% range, so taking the higher level of 30% in the case of a clear need, and say 20% of the population will do whatever the party elites support, a bipartisan elite support could easily move it from a minority position of 20% to a majority position of 60%.

 

[Bacle]

Make this make sense Army

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So can handle multimillion dollar equipment, often unsupervised, but cannot have a toaster in your room...

 

[ParadiseLost]

The problem isn't necessarily a toaster, but what if everyone brought in toasters and small appliances?

Not sure what living conditions are like where they are, but I could see this being an issue.

 

[Zachowon]

I need to find a way to get the videos of the barracks my unit is moving into.

It depends on barracks SOP

 

[Marduk]

The problem isn't necessarily a toaster, but what if everyone brought in toasters and small appliances?

Not sure what living conditions are like where they are, but I could see this being an issue.

Bureaucracy + safetyism + some idiot somewhere did something stupid with a toaster.

 

[Ixian]

The problem isn't necessarily a toaster, but what if everyone brought in toasters and small appliances?

Not sure what living conditions are like where they are, but I could see this being an issue.

Barracks buildings run from barely above total shitholes to super swanky apartment. Depending on where you are and what branch you are in.

Overall I'd say providing higher quality living conditions for our armed forces members is a small step in the right direction.

 

[Agent23]

 

[DarthOne]

So much the better for whenever the (seemingly inevitable at this point) collapse of modernity hits and the bloody revolt against the Leftoid globalist degenerates kicks in.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, besides the fact we are actively training and preparing for a war with China.

The military isn't scared.
Yes, the series of woke ads was bad.
They also completely got rid of those on marketing and focus on the monetary aspect.

Also, for being a woke military we still are leagues better then any adversary we will ever face by and large due to having experience to trian on

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

So much the better for whenever the (seemingly inevitable at this point) collapse of modernity hits and the bloody revolt against the Leftoid globalist degenerates kicks in.

The only good thing about the latest US military recruitment ad, the Calling, is that Emma and her two moms have become a meme.