Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Zachowon]

See, this is where you really do not understand that pretty much no one actually believes this.

The reality is that the US military will take orders from it's pay masters, regardless of whether they obey the Constitution or not.

So the idea the military would 'split' in the event of a 'civil war' (we're more likely to see an American Troubles, than ACW 2.0) is something that many simply do not believe.

Which is why a lot of people are ok with shrinking US forces; it means DC is both less likely to do some stupid A-stan or Iraq 2.0 bullshit, and that there are fewer forces that could be called up by their pay masters in DC to put down people rising up against their disregard for the Constitution and citizenry.

So long as the nuclear triad remains intact, the US is as secure as it needs to be against attack or invasion.

And really, the nuclear triad is the only thing that actually deters state-actors from targeting the US homeland directly; the rest of the military is effectively bits and bobs to ensure our nukes are secure and viable for their MAD missions.

So we only really need enough troops to ensure our nuclear triad is viable, if the goal is actually protecting the US homeland; as opposed to maintaining expeditionary capacity so we can go fuck up places like Iraq and A-stan on a whim, that needs a larger force and more than just the means to defend the homeland.

And if we can keep cranking out weapons for our allies, then we do not even need that many forces of our own, because it would mean we allow people to fight their own battles, but with our aid helping determine victors.

Yes, and even the Olmec's were the descendants of survivors of previosu civs in Central America; turns out building huge towns at the foot of volcanoes, repeatedly, tends to lead to your leadership caste and governing bodies getting wiped out on a disturbing regular basis.

You do know the vast majority of the people that would do the fighting would either go and desert to form thier own groups or just do nothing.

But no matter what I say from my experience yall will plug your ears.

The amount of military that are moderates is a lot.
We don't want to honestly fight either side, because plenty of service members know the civil war would target everyone.
Most will go and protect thiee families.

And the Triade is nice and all, but if say China devastates Guam to make sure we can't support Taiwan or our forces on Okinawa.
What military will we be using to retaliate.
Because you don't need nuclear attacks to take out out ships or our territories thay are close to where they are.

We also have defense treaties around the world, that we want to keep if we want to make sure China doesn't take them all because we arnt reliable....



I was just saying we know there are many diffrent types of civilizations in Pre Columbus america

 

[Bacle]

You do know the vast majority of the people that would do the fighting would either go and desert to form thier own groups or just do nothing.

But no matter what I say from my experience yall will plug your ears.

The amount of military that are moderates is a lot.
We don't want to honestly fight either side, because plenty of service members know the civil war would target everyone.
Most will go and protect thiee families.

It's not that we plug our ears, more that we know which the way the political winds are blowing and we know that the vast majority of the military will just do what DC says, no matter what DC orders.

And the Triade is nice and all, but if say China devastates Guam to make sure we can't support Taiwan or our forces on Okinawa.
What military will we be using to retaliate.
Because you don't need nuclear attacks to take out out ships or our territories thay are close to where they are.

We also have defense treaties around the world, that we want to keep if we want to make sure China doesn't take them all because we arnt reliable....

We can still sell weapons and munitions to our allies, and use the dual-purpose parts of the nuclear triad (CVBGs, Boomers, maybe even Prompt Global Strike if we ever get that online) to deliver non-nuclear warheads to CCP foreheads.

We don't need a huge expeditionary force, or huge military at all, in order to utterly fuck anyone that actually threatens us or our friends, we just need the ability to enforce MAD and ensure industrial superiority so we can supply as many weapons as our allies need.

Also, your whole point about Guam also shows why the future of the Army is mostly as air defense; because GBAD is a hell of a lot more useful in the fights the US is actually likely to face than any amount of infantry or 'conventional' ground forces.

The US needs high output weapons industries and logistics to get them to our allies, more than we need a huge amount of military personal.

 

[Blasterbot]

You do know the vast majority of the people that would do the fighting would either go and desert to form thier own groups or just do nothing.

But no matter what I say from my experience yall will plug your ears.

The amount of military that are moderates is a lot.
We don't want to honestly fight either side, because plenty of service members know the civil war would target everyone.
Most will go and protect thiee families.

And the Triade is nice and all, but if say China devastates Guam to make sure we can't support Taiwan or our forces on Okinawa.
What military will we be using to retaliate.
Because you don't need nuclear attacks to take out out ships or our territories thay are close to where they are.

We also have defense treaties around the world, that we want to keep if we want to make sure China doesn't take them all because we arnt reliable....

The military will listen to their officers in the immediate term and you have described them as woke. it is better that they are weakened if they are woke than strengthened.

the military we will use to retaliate is likely the navy that spends more time in woke diversity training than doing damage control drills or combat training. so I expect rather high casualties from that. which is why the vets who hear that tell their kids don't do it.

we already aren't reliable. look at the biden pullout method in action in A-stan. look at Saigon in Nam. fact is unless you want us as a big gorilla to intimidate someone we got a real shit track record as an ally.

 

[Zachowon]

It's not that we plug our ears, more that we know which the way the political winds are blowing and we know that the vast majority of the military will just do what DC says, no matter what DC orders.

We can still sell weapons and munitions to our allies, and use the dual-purpose parts of the nuclear triad (CVBGs, Boomers, maybe even Prompt Global Strike if we ever get that online) to deliver non-nuclear warheads to CCP foreheads.

We don't need a huge expeditionary force, or huge military at all, in order to utterly fuck anyone that actually threatens us or our friends, we just need the ability to enforce MAD and ensure industrial superiority so we can supply as many weapons as our allies need.

Also, your whole point about Guam also shows why the future of the Army is mostly as air defense; because GBAD is a hell of a lot more useful in the fights the US is actually likely to face than any amount of infantry or 'conventional' ground forces.

The US needs high output weapons industries and logistics to get them to our allies, more than we need a huge amount of military personal.

So basically you are saying that we should gut the Army and allow the wokest branches to have full control over the nuclear triad.
And allowing a weak military will harm the triad more then you realize.
The plane mechanics? Where will we get those.
How will our mavy, one of the wokest branches survive with fewer ships fully manned?

the Army is essential as it allows us to have a heavy oand logistics train, and allow us to fight conflicts in areas that the Navy is useless and the AF cant hold ground.

An Army is mandatory in order for a war to be won.

because in the end, no matter what Army troops will be invovled and always have been.
hell, the Army was the first branch.

but anyway, you literally complain about the woke military but then go on to say we meed to wokest branches to have more power.....

The military will listen to their officers in the immediate term and you have described them as woke. it is better that they are weakened if they are woke than strengthened.

the military we will use to retaliate is likely the navy that spends more time in woke diversity training than doing damage control drills or combat training. so I expect rather high casualties from that. which is why the vets who hear that tell their kids don't do it.

we already aren't reliable. look at the biden pullout method in action in A-stan. look at Saigon in Nam. fact is unless you want us as a big gorilla to intimidate someone we got a real shit track record as an ally.

We don't though. Considering A-stan an ally is hilarious.

And the ones who will do the shooting? Enlisted who have NCOs.
NCOs will make the decisions of the officers, and decide if the officers command is worth it
This is getting into the fact that the Military will be split.
It will not be a united military.
All ot takes is a armorer who is against it to cause all the weapons to be useless.
A single mechanic can cause all of it to crumble.

The military will not be united and we know this as a thing. It is known in the military that is a domestic incident such as a civil war, we will basically split. Have high desertion etc.

 

[Bacle]

So basically you are saying that we should gut the Army and allow the wokest branches to have full control over the nuclear triad.
And allowing a weak military will harm the triad more then you realize.
The plane mechanics? Where will we get those.
How will our mavy, one of the wokest branches survive with fewer ships fully manned?

More unmanned ships/planes, and more long-range weapons that require fewer people to maintain and put less risk on teh delivery vehicle. Boston Dynamics drones/mules/robo-dogs with weapons mounts on them can do a lot of the work infantry do, with a lot less risk to personnel.

Only thing keeping that from being a reality in the short term is battery capacity, and that's just an engineering materials science challenge. Once the battery issue is cracked, drone warfare, not infantry warfare, will become even the Army's normal stock and trade.

the Army is essential as it allows us to have a heavy oand logistics train, and allow us to fight conflicts in areas that the Navy is useless and the AF cant hold ground.

An Army is mandatory in order for a war to be won.

Who says we have to 'take and hold' ground in future wars, instead of just defend the ground we have already?

And that sort of defense usually will involve air or sea forces, with land forces being secondary and mostly relagated to anti-ship/anti-air missile batteries

The Army is useful for logistics, for GBAD, and for the Corp of Engineers, not for infantry prowess or expeditionary capacity.

because in the end, no matter what Army troops will be invovled and always have been.
hell, the Army was the first branch.

No, pretty sure the forerunner of the Coast Guard, the Revenue Cutter Service, is the oldest formal branch of the US military, at least as a federal service and not just some militia from the Revolution which got folded in later during the formalization of the Army.

but anyway, you literally complain about the woke military but then go on to say we meed to wokest branches to have more power.....

I care about making sure the US military is effective enough to do it's job of defending the US, without being so large as to make a tempting boot for domestic oppression and small enough DC doesn't view it as an 'expeditionary force' to do a repeat of A-stan or Iraq with. If we need to fuck up someone;s day, the Navy and Air Force are more likely to be useful than the Army.

The Navy and Air Force and nuclear triad are force multipliers far and away more important than infantry will ever again be, and the role of most ground units in the US military should be in direct support of the nuclear triad and it's dual-use bits. The Army can keep itself busy with air defense/coastal defense for Navy and Air Force bases and civil works projects for Corp of Engineers, but it doesn't need to be an expeditionary force.

In fact the only justification for the Army as an 'expeditionary force' at this point would be for finally deciding to go unfuck Mexico or Canada by force. Not saying that's completely unjustified, with how much of a mess Mexico is and how oppressive Trudeau Castro has caused Canada to become, but those are also the least likely conflicts of them all for the US to actually undertake.

 

[Blasterbot]

We don't though. Considering A-stan an ally is hilarious.

And the ones who will do the shooting? Enlisted who have NCOs.
NCOs will make the decisions of the officers, and decide if the officers command is worth it
This is getting into the fact that the Military will be split.
It will not be a united military.
All ot takes is a armorer who is against it to cause all the weapons to be useless.
A single mechanic can cause all of it to crumble.

The military will not be united and we know this as a thing. It is known in the military that is a domestic incident such as a civil war, we will basically split. Have high desertion etc.

A-Stan was a government we were building there for more than a decade. if we are so shit we can't even make a puppet state an ally that is fucking sad.

and the same is in the inverse. it takes one wokster in the wrong place to get people killed who he disagrees with politically. and this shit is being pushed from the top. and people from outside the institution look at it and say don't go there if you don't want to be at their mercy.

 

[DarthOne]

Trans army soldier talks about coping with gender dysphoria while on duty and trying to feel like woman.

He also shows the hormones he takes to transition which our tax dollars pay for

 

[Zachowon]

He is also a he until the treatment is complete according to the Army

 

[DarthOne]

He is also a he until the treatment is complete according to the Army

Hear that? That's the sound of the point flying over your head.

 

[Cherico]

Im just going to drop a joke

 

[Bacle]

A good video about ways to help fix the military, and a few of them of easy; ok beards for all people, weed legalization, better food quality/more protein, more ranks for specialty MOS's that do not force 'up or out' or command responsibility, and better pay.

Unfortunately I expect this will fall on deaf ears in the Pentagon.

 

[Marduk]

A good video about ways to help fix the military, and a few of them of easy; ok beards for all people, weed legalization, better food quality/more protein, more ranks for specialty MOS's that do not force 'up or out' or command responsibility, and better pay.

Unfortunately I expect this will fall on deaf ears in the Pentagon.

Beards - that's an easy and free one. Many NATO armies permit them, it's some old cultural hangup, no idea why it's still there. If they are good enough for Danish, German, Ukrainian, Italian, Spanish and Foreign Legion, it's not like US troops are worse and can't figure out gas masks with that if the above could.
Weed - that's gonna be a lot of controversy, especially with how its influence can last much longer than any reasonable amount of alcohol. A good compromise to start with would be to get rid of the "use in past year" standard, make it past 2 weeks before enlisting/returning from leave or something like that.
Better food - not too expensive and probably worth the expense by effect on morale and physical health and performance of soldiers in the infantry/special forces in particular - after all, for dismounts their body is what decides a major part of their performance in combat tasks, and the military spends billions to squeeze extra few percent of performance out of all sorts of machines, so why not take that attitude to how they feed the soldiers. Might be worth a corruption investigation for catering deals, state institution catering is notoriously shady, consider a certain catering/mercenary company owner.
Specialist ranks - no-brainer, if they want highly skilled computer experts and such, how about starting with not firing those who want to stay doing it just for arbitrary administrative reasons.
Better pay - obvious, easy, but expensive.

 

[Bacle]

Beards - that's an easy and free one. Many NATO armies permit them, it's some old cultural hangup, no idea why it's still there. If they are good enough for Danish, German, Ukrainian, Italian, Spanish and Foreign Legion, it's not like US troops are worse and can't figure out gas masks with that if the above could.

Because beards for everyone means less grooming standard NJPs for petty asshats to dish-out, under cover of 'CBRN readiness' to regular troops.

It also means admitting that a lot of the grooming/fitness 'standards' held to in the current US military are rather farcical and mostly there to because the military use to want to treat soldiers like athletic runners and fed them/held them to standards of such, while now they want crossfit-athletic based physical standards in enlistees and yet keep feeding them carbs like runners instead of the needed protein.

Weed - that's gonna be a lot of controversy, especially with how its influence can last much longer than any reasonable amount of alcohol. A good compromise to start with would be to get rid of the "use in past year" standard, make it past 2 weeks before enlisting/returning from leave or something like that.

Eh, we actually have medical standards now for THC intoxication due to legalization, and the general rule is after smoking weed, you need 4 hours to be good to drive again. Longer for edibles, simply due to different absorption process (liver vs lungs), and the delayed onset once an edible is taken.

So if someone is off-duty and not on-call for anything, they should be able to enjoy a joint from a legally operated dispensary, or use CBD instead of asprinin/ivprofen (CBD is easier on the stomach, less chance of ulcers developing vs long term advil/aspirin use).

Now obviously no one is going to ok a bong on an boomer, or a hooka in the scamble ready room, and for good reason; however right now any documented cannabis use as a civie, even medically prescribed, is a disqualifying condition/state for enlistees to even attempt to join, never mind active service/reserve/guard members.

Better food - not too expensive and probably worth the expense by effect on morale and physical health and perfomance of soldiers in the infantry/special forces in particular. Might be worth a corruption investigation for catering deals, state institution catering is notoriously shady, consider a certain catering/mercenary company owner.

As I said about the food above, shift to less carbs (which the old 'runner' model of feeding troops emphasized) and more protein in the food for the 'crossfit athlete' they want soldiers to be now, along with 24 hours messes (that lack of such seems sus to me, and may be a good target for a corruption investigation).

Specialist ranks - no-brainer, if they want highly skilled computer experts and such, how about starting with not firing those who want to stay doing it just for arbitrary administrative reasons.

Ah, but the brass need 'up or out' to keep cycling fresh blood into positions, as well as to help ensure the 'old boys' patronage system stays intact for flag ranks and promotions in general.

If they couldn't fire people for simply not getting promoted for too long, while still doing their current job perfectly, then it's a lot harder for senior officers to exercise their patronage in who gets promoted vs who get booted in the 'up or out' paradigm.

Better pay - obvious, easy, but expensive.

Better pay would help, but so would the military not nickle and diming service members on the down low for petty shit soldiers should be getting for free, to make up the budget.

Like forcing officers on ships to buy and pay for meal, even if they do not eat them due to being in port/back at home, and trying to force service members to pay for shit they didn't rent or buy in order to get their 'honorable discharge' papers fully signed, just to help keep base books balanced when they cannot find the actual buyer or renter of an item.

 

[Zachowon]

The beard thing is a definite and everyone wants one.

The weed, we already have people abusing alcohol, abusing weed is still an issue.
One may not overdose on it but a soldier coming in hungover is better then one coming in high, because you are always a soldier 24/7 and never know when you will be called to do shit.

Food: that is actually a hot issue and varies heavily depending base.
For instance, SF get good shit and basically have chefs.
My time in Korea I had great food and I was on a normal base.

So food is something that should be standardized.
Also, we don't get only carbs, we get what ever we need from the Dfac allowing a lot of options for meat as well as carbs.
A lot of chicken.

And as for ranks.
That is where it gets iffy.
The AF for instance allows E5s to retire which is nice, but it doesn't pay the best in this economy.
In the Army we have Warranrs. Which are the technical experts in thier field, and often do the job or train those to do the job.
We don't have the technical ranks or expanded spc ranks anymore because it was not useful the the style the Army had in the Kate Cold War

 

[Captain X]

 

[Jormungandr]

Well, the mistake here is that people still expect Biden, his cronies and handlers, and those repugnant pieces of shit infesting your White House to actually have a shred of humanity in them.

Then again, I don't blame the people -- after all, who would've thought reprehensible monsters like Pedo Biden would be this inhuman?

 

[Blasterbot]

BuT iF yOu DoN't SuPpOrT tHe MiLiTaRy AnD tHe AdMiN yOu HaTe ThE tRoOpS aNd WaNt ChInA tO wIn.

seriously why the fuck would anyone think that Biden gives a fuck about the troops. Don't sign up so that they can abuse you and your family.

 

[Zachowon]

He doesn't.
Why do people think that supporting the troops means supporting the admin?
You only have to support one, not both.
I only aupport the military.

And there is a lawsuit waiting to happen actually, as her family, who ever she put on her SGLI, gets the money tax free to pay for the funeral and cemetery.
For things like this it would just come out of that money before they even see it.

You bring this to court because that is what it is.
It is a sad thing that military members have been fighting this battle for a long time.

Due to it being a federal cemetery

 

[King Arts]

He doesn't.
Why do people think that supporting the troops means supporting the admin?
You only have to support one, not both.
I only aupport the military.

And there is a lawsuit waiting to happen actually, as her family, who ever she put on her SGLI, gets the money tax free to pay for the funeral and cemetery.
For things like this it would just come out of that money before they even see it.

You bring this to court because that is what it is.
It is a sad thing that military members have been fighting this battle for a long time.

Due to it being a federal cemetery

Because the military upholds the government?

 

[Zachowon]

Because the military upholds the government?

We uphold the constitution