United States US presidential election 2024

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ShieldWife said:
For better or worse, Trump is the heart of the GOP and without his influence, it will probably just slide back into neocon control. So if Trump runs in 2024, we would all be wise to support his candidacy to the best of our abilities. If he doesn’t run for some reason, then we need to support who ever he endorses. The dissidents within the GOP have to remain united, either behind Trump or who ever he passes the torch to.

Personally, I would like to see Rand Paul make a run, he’s my personal pick for president.
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No Neocon retards led us into an abyss as did neolibs both of those trains of thought are dead ends. Even the most braindead of ideologues knows it.
 
Carrot of Truth said:
No Neocon retards led us into an abyss as did neolibs both of those trains of thought are dead ends. Even the most braindead of ideologues knows it.
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The neocons and neolibs still rule the country and have more power over the GOP than Trump supporters do. They are a hair’s breath away from controlling the party again and we have to be extremely careful and vigilant lest they take control again.
 
ShieldWife said:
The neocons and neolibs still rule the country and have more power over the GOP than Trump supporters do. They are a hair’s breath away from controlling the party again and we have to be extremely careful and vigilant lest they take control again.
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They are a hairs breath away from ruling over a failed state like Venezuela but with one titanic difference, The US people are heavily armed and all about revolution and not putting up with bullshit from totalitarian regimes.
 
Jouaint said:
Not really the Democrats keep trying to make various elections about Trump and they keep getting creamed. That at least implies Trump really isn't some albatross around the neck of the GOP.
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I guess I haven't been paying enough attention, because it sounds like you're talking about more than just the VA gubernatorial ... ?

As for the thread topic, I think it's way too soon. Before the midterms is always too soon but there's also a whole fucking war and the western world is sanctioning Russia for real this time. But as to the more specific question of Hillary '24, I don't think it's too soon to stand by what I said before:
strunkenwhite said:
God no. Republicans can only wish this would happen. I found the allegations about her poor health in 2016 overblown but I doubt she would be able to effectively conduct a strenuous campaign. And frankly she had her shot—not many failed candidates get a second at-bat. (Meaning, won the nomination but lost the general.)

I'd believe Chelsea before Hillary. And, to be clear, I don't.

(In summary, I guess you could say I think it would not only be an incredibly bad idea on the part of the Democratic establishment, but also out of character given historical precedent.)
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Carrot of Truth said:
They are a hairs breath away from ruling over a failed state like Venezuela but with one titanic difference, The US people are heavily armed and all about revolution and not putting up with bullshit from totalitarian regimes.
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Well, they are going to be ruling over a failed state, that’s true, but there won’t be a revolution. There isn’t the will for that. By the time enough people are willing to do that, it will probably be too late.

Though this is a pretty big tangent from the 2024 election.

My point is that the neocons are still powerful and we have to be very careful to keep them from regaining total control over the GOP, which is why Trump and/or his successor so is important.
 
ShieldWife said:
Well, they are going to be ruling over a failed state, that’s true, but there won’t be a revolution. There isn’t the will for that. By the time enough people are willing to do that, it will probably be too late.

Though this is a pretty big tangent from the 2024 election.

My point is that the neocons are still powerful and we have to be very careful to keep them from regaining total control over the GOP, which is why Trump and/or his successor so is important.
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Aren't you the doomer, Just because you only know weak people does not mean we all are the will put up with totalitarian bullshit and live in a pod while eating bug meat bullshit
 
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Carrot of Truth said:
Aren't you the doomer, Just because you only know weak people does not mean we all are the will put up with totalitarian bullshit and live in a pod while eating bug meat bullshit

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So is Ted Kaczynski to be our role model for resistance? Excuse me if that doesn’t fill me with a lot of confidence.

Yeah, people probably will endure living in pods and eating bugs, not right away but gradually. Most modern “conservatives” staunchly support ideas that most people of the past would have seen as insanely extreme. The Overton Window shifts and the left controls the direction it’s shifting in. Even people who object to the worst outraged of the left don’t do anything but their lives are too comfortable and resisting in even a peaceful way is far too inconvenient.
 
ShieldWife said:
So is Ted Kaczynski to be our role model for resistance? Excuse me if that doesn’t fill me with a lot of confidence.

Yeah, people probably will endure living in pods and eating bugs, not right away but gradually. Most modern “conservatives” staunchly support ideas that most people of the past would have seen as insanely extreme. The Overton Window shifts and the left controls the direction it’s shifting in. Even people who object to the worst outraged of the left don’t do anything but their lives are too comfortable and resisting in even a peaceful way is far too inconvenient.
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That was just more of a meme but like if the whole what is coming will just be taken laying down, No I don't accept that. Maybe I am just being too hopeful about my fellow citizens but if the WEF plans for us are the future then well. Fuck then its time to do something.
 
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49ersfootball said:
United States Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) is mentioned as a contender for the White House in 2024.
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Mentioned by who?? Everyone remembers how Trump wiped the floor with him in 2016. I don't know if I'd say he has absolutely no chance of ever again being taken seriously as a Presidential candidate, but I will definitely say that when his opponent is Donald Trump.
 
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