Warhammer Warhammer General discussion thread: Now with 100% more Space Marines
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Delayed as far as anyone knows. I suspect it wont be out any earlier than Q1 2024.
evilchumlee
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Ok well... this ignited something in me I didn't know was there, and now i'm obsessed with Imperial Cult Orks.
Agent23
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Yeah, these ones, Arch had a video on em a while back.You mean the Emprah's Greenest regiment?
Or I read about them on 1d4chan.
Agent23
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As if 1 wasn't enough, now you want the 2 we have to suffer through to join forces.
I mean, the books involving guilliman, like the Dark Imperiumnseries is pretty good actually and shows a more human take and that he isn't perfect.
Primaris marines I can understand the hate
Agent23
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Anything post Failbadon's 13th temper tantrum is meh by default.
evilchumlee
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Guilliman is kind of cool because like, the IoM as it stands is clearly not quite what the Emperor intended... and getting the perspective of someone who saw it when it something closer is interesting.
Primaris Marines feel... unnecessary? But at the same time it makes Space Marine stuff a bit more flexible lore-wise.
Lord Sovereign
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The Primaris Marines should not exist. Cawl creating a new Mark X power armour would be fine, alongside Guilliman loosening the laws on geneseed and Chapter sizes, but GW just jumped the shark with them.
evilchumlee
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I might have preferred doing something closer to Guilliman decided the Imperium needed every possible soldier it could get, Cawl creates some new kind of armor and you end up with baseline or lightly modded people as "Space Marines" with the armor doing most of the work.
Have you actually read any of the stuff taking place after the fall of cadia?
I mean, basically what GW did was make the universe,.move along instead of just being in a constant stalemate. They actually wanted to focus on developing the world instead if stagnating it.
Idk, primaris is basically that.
What primaris is, is just a diffrent process of making SM, with Geneseed and all.
He even focused on trying to get the Imperium back to fighting chapter with chapter and knowing how to work with other chapters to allow a more flexible force.
Especially with the Lions return, we can have what equates to a leader of the Imperium nihilius and Imperium indomitus, getting rid of the old high lords, and making the world I guess, closer to that of 30k/great crusade era.
Reading Dark Imperium thiugh gives a good insight to how Guilliman feels about what he has done
Morphic Tide
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The thing is that it wasn't "stagnant" because they were constantly painting in the massive holes in the timeline, adjusting details, inserting whole new factions, overhauling old ones, and so on. It was a setting functioning as a big fuzzy canvas for Your Dudes, with the secret of the Lost Primarchs being expressly "so you can make shit up". There's a reason such a big deal was made of The End Times and The Gathering Storm: No small part of the fanbase was younger than the last time GW tried to push the Warhammer timelines forward.
Not even joking, between the original Eye of Terror campaign and The Gathering Storm was nineteen years. There were people not born when the first attempt at the 13th Black Crusade happened who had graduated from secondary education and making a living since then. But in between, most of what we recognize the setting for today was introduced. The Genestealers became associated with the Tyrannids, the Necrons went from the fresh proper noun for what was originally Chaos Androids to killbots to Tomb Kings In Space, the Tau went from the much-maligned bright spot to just the least totalitarian dicks available.
The setting shifted and grew and changed over time, but in well-defined boundaries.
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Agent23
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Some Belisarius Cawl related stuff, pretty much apocryphal to the setting IMHO and the whole Cycatrix Maladictum is silly.
Arch covered the stupendous and childish power/size creep a while back.Sums up my view nicely.
I mean, it really doesn't.
Reading the books gives you a good sense of the universe.
It opens up more stories to tell besides the constant back and forth on planets like Armageddon.
You have nee battlefields and the like.
I mean, yes and no.
It became bloated as you had what, a thousand years to tell so many stories. Yes it's a big universe but eventually things will start colliding eith each other.
What the return of Guilliman did is allow for the Imerpium to get that much needed boost as they were basically on the verge of ruin before the 13th succeeded.
Except not really. The whole point of 40K is that the Imperium has ALWAYS been teetering on the brink.
I don't mind the story moving forward. The thing that constantly passes me off is that NOTHING the Imperial forces do actually moves the needle in their favor b/c of stupid Warp fuckery or other nonsense.
THAT is what really makes the setting stale for me no matter how much they move along the time line.