"Woke" Franchises

[CarlManvers2019]

Yeah, real life people are more complex and make no sense or go against their usual personalities all of a sudden, real life idiot balls do occur, that said they prefer staying true to a character they respect for behaving a certain way consistently unless big stuff like the stuff that happened to Griffith to turn him into Femto occurred

Holdo wasn’t told she was wrong or even given a negative look though

So no way I’m defending Admiral Purplehair

 

[Darth Robbhi]

Somehow, I’m pretty sure whatever Woke Elements will try taking control of this means of distribution, like making it so that you can’t get funding on Patreon on the basis of a bunch of accusations of being a NeoNazi

Oh, I'm sure that will happen, and then, like everything else, there will be another way to get the signal out. Even if it's samizdat.

Is it wrong that I hope even Books get replaced with digital or are sold more on Kindles than in physical copies?

Hell, I think people being able to download books or lessons online is what will help unshackle people off whatever possible indoctrination both public and private schools and colleges may make

Yes.

You want to take a book away from somebody, you have to brute force it. Bust into their place and torch it. Destroying electronic media is a whole lot easier and more subtle. We're already seeing digital media downloads limited to certain devices, deleted wholesale, DRMed out, corrupted, or just rendered obsolete by new technology. How many of us have video games, tapes, betamax, etc. that are rendered unusable because the platform it depends on died?

As for unshackling, that assumes people are able to learn through just reading. Some people can. A lot of people can't, especially if they lack the education to understand the material in the first place. Many people do not have the ability to teach themselves. Many people do not even have the ability to ask the question. Or, when hit with a question, they just sit there dumbfounded.

Learning also very much depends on both the material and the way it's written, presented and put together. We also see the vast proliferation of discussion boards for things as reasonably simple as wargames rules written in plain English. The Too Fat Lardies boards are a good indication of how confusing simple English can be; then you get to the high art of interpreting Barkerese, which often confuses people skilled in bureaucratese.

If anything, we are seeing more and more people going for things like podcasts, YouTube videos, and the like, where it's a lecture. Somebody else does the learning, the assimilating, the understanding and the packaging of a product to you. So I don't think you're going to see the didactic teacher/student element going away anytime soon. Far too many people are most comfortable in that learning environment. If they're willing to learn at all.

Alongside reducing taxation for that stuff and allowing kids access to useful education quick and cheap and possibly from an earlier age

Everybody over the age of 12 has the entirety of human knowledge in their hip or ass pocket, and can get an answer to pretty much any reasonably anticipatable question in about five to ten minutes. The issue isn't getting information to people, it's getting people to drink it. Can't tell you how often I have people amazed at problems I solved by googling "how do I do X" because they couldn't think to do that, or couldn't make sense of what they got.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Lots of Points There

Yeah, those problems really are understandable, unless certain things are remastered, you'll never get to play or know of old classics like the older Metal Gear games

And yeah, there's a problem of culture, in which there's little self-initiative even for the younger generations as well as mindsets that just aren't so curious or self-aware or questioning.....option is still there though

Anyway, back to "Woke Franchises"

I looked up Age of Conan: Belit Queen of The Black Sea and gotta say, I agree with the commentators, the cover art is real nice and fanservicey and yet the art that follows within is Tumblr-esque, I think(weirdly the art looks to get better by issue, more-or-less)

I am already feeling sorta nostalgic for the art of the pre-2000s decades where the guy who made the cover is likely to maybe have also drawn the art within

Anybody notice anything regarding Tumblr-art styles for comic books? I'm sort of noticing a lack of physical definition on characters for one and presence of androgynous-to-masculine body types for women

 

[JagerIV]

For me if it’s not written by the original author, then I can say it’s NOT canon

The only Conan books I’m reading are by Robert E. Howard, the rest are fanfiction

Though this may eventually vary for me for other series/settings by different authors

This guy has much the same option: everything after the original creator is fanfiction, whatever the technical legal rights are.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Well, to these people the only Strength a person can have is Power, and the only Power a person can have is direct physical Power.

They don't understand any power dynamic other than a boot on a chest, they think every single conceivable state of inequality must come down to that image.

They just want to be the Boot.

Even more, its the physical image they have a problem with, those women are too “soft” and “cute” to be taken seriously

Even the amazonian She-Hulk

I don’t think they know too many Women Body Builders or Women CQC Fighters who prioritize function over form, you know, the types that don’t look like roided out monsters and instead look sorta lean yet toned when you take a closer look

 

[Morphic Tide]

Then again, I do on occasion see praises for this costume on FFN and our sister sites

If it weren't for the clearly-visible ribcage and underboob definition, I'd agree, since I much prefer the "lightly armored" look it has going for it over highly exposed thighs. Given that it makes it look like she's half dead of starvation and is basically just modernized spandex, I hate it.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

If it weren't for the clearly-visible ribcage and underboob definition, I'd agree, since I much prefer the "lightly armored" look it has going for it over highly exposed thighs. Given that it makes it look like she's half dead of starvation and is basically just modernized spandex, I hate it.

Depends on the artist to make the look work though for both

Same for other leotard looks

Silk>Latex&Leather

Not everybody’s that artist who made Captain America’s frontal chest HUGE

 

[Terthna]

We can all agree that franchises going woke out of nowhere is a bad thing on many levels, right? And the common response to people pushing this sort of thing is usually "stop trying to change what we like into something you want, just make your own". Well, I think it's important to point out the few times where they do try to make their own, and ultimately succeed.

Case in point; Steven Universe. Probably the best example out there of something built from the ground up to be woke, and succeeding because of it. I mean check out this dedication from the latest book entitled "The Tale of Steven"; which is an adaptation of the season five finale:

You cannot get more blatant than that. But for this series, it works; because "woke" themes were always a part of the story. That's the rub though; they've always been a part of it, they weren't shoehorned in later on to please a handful of activists who don't even watch the show. I think we should encourage more works like Steven Universe.

 

[Captain X]

They aren't satisfied with their own, though. They have to bend everything to be to their own liking, because they are some of the most bigoted people that there are. They are literally everything they claim to hate, acting exactly like a colonizing European power that had to "civilize" or destroy the rest of us.

 

[Darth Robbhi]

Woke doesn't matter if the storytelling is good.

The problem is woke people who can't write, or are so thick they need it blatantly spelled out for them.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

We can all agree that franchises going woke out of nowhere is a bad thing on many levels, right? And the common response to people pushing this sort of thing is usually "stop trying to change what we like into something you want, just make your own". Well, I think it's important to point out the few times where they do try to make their own, and ultimately succeed.

Case in point; Steven Universe. Probably the best example out there of something built from the ground up to be woke, and succeeding because of it. I mean check out this dedication from the latest book entitled "The Tale of Steven"; which is an adaptation of the season five finale:

You cannot get more blatant than that. But for this series, it works; because "woke" themes were always a part of the story. That's the rub though; they've always been a part of it, they weren't shoehorned in later on to please a handful of activists who don't even watch the show. I think we should encourage more works like Steven Universe.

Steven Universe is social justice propaganda aimed at children. It should not be encouraged.

Encouraging Trans-Children is worse than encouraging suicide, because it's more effective at getting kids killed.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Steven Universe is social justice propaganda aimed at children. It should not be encouraged.

Encouraging Trans-Children is worse than encouraging suicide, because it's more effective at getting kids killed.

And sapient beings without biological sexes DO NOT EXIST and people aren't them.

If it helps, I don't think many people know the negative side effects of transitioning....mostly because they take info from entertainment of all things for biology and psychology

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

"Fusion isn't about sexuality!"
"Pearl tricking Garnet into Fusing is supposed to teach kids about sexual consent!"


Hmm. That give Grug the BIG think.

 

[Terthna]

Steven Universe is social justice propaganda aimed at children. It should not be encouraged.

Encouraging Trans-Children is worse than encouraging suicide, because it's more effective at getting kids killed.

You're not entirely wrong, but you are exaggerating immensely, in order to paint the show in the worst light possible. The show does have a social justice message, but one that's actually about social justice; you know, tolerance and fair treatment for all. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

As for the trans angle; sure the metaphor is there, if you dig deep enough (which kids are not going to), but it can be just as easily be interpreted as a message that people should accept others for who and what they are in general.

"Fusion isn't about sexuality!"
"Pearl tricking Garnet into Fusing is supposed to teach kids about sexual consent!"


Hmm. That give Grug the BIG think.

I think you're misrepresenting the latter statement; what it's supposed to be teaching is that tricking someone into being in a relationship with you, and being intimate, based on false pretenses is wrong. Fusion isn't a euphemism for sexual intimacy, it's one for emotional intimacy.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You're not entirely wrong, but you are exaggerating immensely, in order to paint the show in the worst light possible. The show does have a social justice message, but one that's actually about social justice; you know, tolerance and fair treatment for all. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

As for the trans angle; sure the metaphor is there, if you dig deep enough (which kids are not going to), but it can be just as easily be interpreted as a message that people should accept others for who and what they are in general.


I think you're misrepresenting the latter statement; what it's supposed to be teaching is that tricking someone into being in a relationship with you, and being intimate, based on false pretenses is wrong. Fusion isn't a euphemism for sexual intimacy, it's one for emotional intimacy.

Thanks @Terthna you're living proof against our sister sites' dumb Left-Right Dichotomy, haven't watched Steven Universe, but I think you show it to be a rather well-written show and the right way of showing "real social justice" without just using it as some sort of constant accusation or blind "altruism"

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Thanks @Terthna you're living proof against our sister sites' dumb Left-Right Dichotomy, haven't watched Steven Universe, but I think you show it to be a rather well-written show and the right way of showing "real social justice" without just using it as some sort of constant accusation or blind "altruism"

I mean, he's lying, and I'll explain why at length when I'm back at my computer.

 

[Terthna]

Thanks @Terthna you're living proof against our sister sites' dumb Left-Right Dichotomy, haven't watched Steven Universe, but I think you show it to be a rather well-written show and the right way of showing "real social justice" without just using it as some sort of constant accusation or blind "altruism"

There's a reason I pointed it out as an example of "woke" done right; it is its own thing, and I applaud the show for it. It's also incredibly good, probably one of the best cartoons currently running. If I had the choice, I'd rather have more new "woke" franchises like Steven Universe, than watch another preexisting one be butchered.

I mean, he's lying, and I'll explain why at length when I'm back at my computer.

Wow. All I can say is, you'd better have proof that I'm outright lying, instead of just wrong in your opinion; as that's not something you accuse someone of lightly. Because it just makes you look like a bigot.

 

[Lanmandragon]

You're not entirely wrong, but you are exaggerating immensely, in order to paint the show in the worst light possible. The show does have a social justice message, but one that's actually about social justice; you know, tolerance and fair treatment for all. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

As for the trans angle; sure the metaphor is there, if you dig deep enough (which kids are not going to), but it can be just as easily be interpreted as a message that people should accept others for who and what they are in general.




I think you're misrepresenting the latter statement; what it's supposed to be teaching is that tricking someone into being in a relationship with you, and being intimate, based on false pretenses is wrong. Fusion isn't a euphemism for sexual intimacy, it's one for emotional intimacy.

You'd be surprised my 10 yr old flat told me it was about trans folks. Kids aren't as dumb as folks assume.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You'd be surprised my 10 yr old flat told me it was about trans folks. Kids aren't as dumb as folks assume.

They have internet access

 

[Lanmandragon]

They have internet access

Not really I monitor everything they do on the net. He's just smart enough to read subtext. Now he's a smart kid but still the fact he knew what was going in nearly immideatley. Leads me to believe kids know more then most folks think.