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"Woke" Franchises

Robovski

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Well, there is some matter of compromise when you decide to share your life with someone. This much is normal, not everything should just go your or their way.

Some people disagree, and some of those people feel like their partner has "potential" and is a fixer-upper. This is pervasive enough to be a trope found in media. I Can Change My Beloved - TV Tropes

Personally, I find that offensively disrespectful, but I'm not the relationship police.
 
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Jaenera Targaryen

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To make partner even betterer?
That is fucking stupid. If I had a partner like that, they're going to get "We should see other people" before they realize it.

Well, there is some matter of compromise when you decide to share your life with someone. This much is normal, not everything should just go your or their way.

Some people disagree, and some of those people feel like their partner has "potential" and is a fixer-upper. This is pervasive enough to br a trope found in media. I Can Change My Beloved - TV Tropes

Personally, I find that offensively disrespectful, but I'm not the relationship police.
Fair enough, but it should be a natural evolution, two people sharing their lives adapting to each other's quirks and idiosyncrasies, instead of one or the other forcing the other to fit some fantastic idyll. As you say, the latter is personally insulting and an immediate sign that the relationship isn't going to work out.
 

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Another example was in the recent Steam Summer sale I bought Star Wars Squadrons and played through the campaign. In between missions you can talk to your wing mates and near the end you ask what they've got planned when 'this is all over', one of the Imperial pilots that you still don't really know much about and have seen the least, he comes away with the line that "He'll spend more time with his husband", it just seemed dropped in for no reason. We hadn't heard anything about his family before, we didn't hear anything again, its just seemed like a token drop.

At least with Mass Effect 3, it's part of Cortez's story, he goes through the grieving process and how he responds depends on how you treat him. That I had no problem with, in Squadrons it just seemed..unecessary.

Also, with Kevin Smith, is it just me or does most of the pictures you see of him now with that cap flipped backwards make him look like a bit of a twonk?
 

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So, the new He-man is finally out, and it's apparently even worse that was feared. It's already being compared to the Star Wars sequels, in terms of how insulting it is to fans and the franchise as a whole. He-man himself is killed off within the first five minutes, and things just get progressively (Hah!) more terrible from there.
I have no real investment in the He-man and the Masters of the Universe franchise. I'm actually more familiar with the 2002 reboot series, as that was on when I was a kid. It was cool, but never really one of my favorite things.

That said, I can kind of understand the feeling of being baited-and-switched if you did have nostalgia for HM&tMotU and were looking forward to Looking at the episode summaries, it's all "Teela goes..." "Teela finds..." "Teela and her friends...". He-man is no longer the main character of his own franchise. From what I hear it's not quite fair to say he just dies in the first episode, since he's not dead dead. But I know if there was, say, some kind of Avatar the Last Airbender reboot where Aang wasn't really the main character, I would be mad as hell.

So the response to Revelation is kind of predictable. Like, come on, Kevin Smith. Weren't you smart enough to know what the response would be to going in this direction? Maybe not. Though at the same time, part of me is like, come on. It's He-man. How sacred can a cheesy 80s cartoon be? Let's not pretend this is as big of a deal as something like Star Wars going off the rails.
 

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I have no real investment in the He-man and the Masters of the Universe franchise. I'm actually more familiar with the 2002 reboot series, as that was on when I was a kid. It was cool, but never really one of my favorite things.

That said, I can kind of understand the feeling of being baited-and-switched if you did have nostalgia for HM&tMotU and were looking forward to Looking at the episode summaries, it's all "Teela goes..." "Teela finds..." "Teela and her friends...". He-man is no longer the main character of his own franchise. From what I hear it's not quite fair to say he just dies in the first episode, since he's not dead dead. But I know if there was, say, some kind of Avatar the Last Airbender reboot where Aang wasn't really the main character, I would be mad as hell.

So the response to Revelation is kind of predictable. Like, come on, Kevin Smith. Weren't you smart enough to know what the response would be to going in this direction? Maybe not. Though at the same time, part of me is like, come on. It's He-man. How sacred can a cheesy 80s cartoon be? Let's not pretend this is as big of a deal as something like Star Wars going off the rails.
You're talking to someone who cared so little about Star Wars for decades (even before the prequels and sequels), that he used to confuse it with its parody, Spaceballs; whether or not something is considered a "big deal" almost always comes down to a matter of perspective. A lot of people remember He-Man fondly from their childhoods; don't be dismissive towards that, unless you want them to be dismissive towards your passions.

As for Revelation; I don't think Kevin Smith put much thought into this project period. He admitted in interviews that most of the creative decisions were made by Ted Biaselli, Netflix’s director of original series; who, while he is apparently a fan of the He-Man franchise and knows a lot about it, is also a regressive leftist activist first and foremost. I think they mostly hired him to sit in the director's chair, and use his image as a "fellow geek" to do PR for the show.
 

Husky_Khan

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Kickstarter hired a new "Comics Consultant" and she seems like a nice lady. Her name is Jamila Rowser and she's very proactive in curating creators.


And it's not just Comic Book creators she's apparently pre-emptively blocked.


Being adjacent to whatever Jamila apparently has a distaste of seems to get one blocked as well.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Depending on how her blocking works, someone might be able to exploit it and get her to block someone she shouldn't.

Because I distinctly remember people tricking bots like that in the past.
 

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Regarding woke franchises, here's a still from the new Amazon Wheel of Time.



You may notice a few... ethnic differences between them and the ideal casting choices of Robert Jordan, the series' author (which we have since he was still around at the start of the internet era).



Edit: Honestly, the changes wouldn't bother me if the reason people looked like they looked in the series actually had good reasons to them with wide-ranging consequences...

Edit 2: Also, greatly unimpressed by the costumes. I've seen plenty of LARPers who manage to make their gear look more lived-in and authentic.

Edit 3: It's also far from being just an ethnic issue. A lot of the characters' physical attributes have an impact on the story and how they are percieved. Lan stuck out early on because he was one of the few people in the Two Rivers who was as tall as Rand. Moraine was tiny, and was thus exceptional because she was able to boss them all around as if it was the most natural thing in the world. The Two Rivers folk were barely out of their teens, and Nyneave was exceptional since she became wisdom in her early twenties, which was often a point of contention. These here all look like they are in their late twenties, early thirties. That stuff just doesn't sync... *sigh*
 
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