You do not get it, the Wu Flu is endemic now; trying to 'slow/stop the spread' is pointless and no amount of vaccinations or lack there of will change that.
Tell that to polio.
except that COVID is nowhere near as bad for 99% of the people out there.
Oh, sure, I don't mean that COVID is as bad as polio. I mean that vaccines can do something about endemic diseases.
OK, sure, but what does that have to do with the discussion that was actually happening? I didn't understand Bacle to mean that the vaccination was ineffective; if so he made his point in a really weird way. (No amount of vaccinations ... because they don't work?) I understood him to be saying that even if the vaccine is safe and effective it doesn't help the fact that the disease is already endemic. And I disagreed with that assessment on the basis of safe and effective vaccines making a difference against many endemic diseases: smallpox wiped out worldwide, polio wiped out in the USA, measles going from perennial wildfire to almost unheard of, etc.You can be against the Covid vaccine but not anti-vax in general - in case that thought hadn't occurred to you...
To be fair to us Americans, things over here haven't gotten as bad as they are in France and Australia. At least not yet, as far as I'm aware....you know, it's hilarious that the French and Australians are showing more balls than us (my home, the UK) and (most of) the Americans (who go on about their liberties all the time) against these authoritarian measures.
Good on 'em.
Give it time (and man, is it depressing to say that).To be fair to us Americans, things over here haven't gotten as bad as they are in France and Australia. At least not yet, as far as I'm aware.
I'd divide anti-vaxxism into the following three categories:To be fair there has been a pretty hardcore propaganda campaign to mix both. Whenever someone brings up Covid anti-vaxx arguments they always go for some wild shit like "turns you into a crocodile" or "makes you magnetic" instead of addressing the actual points most people have about how half of them are only useful against over very specific strain that is probably already extinct and the other half uses and experimental rushed treatment that has never been fully tried on humans before.
...you know, it's hilarious that the French and Australians are showing more balls than us (my home, the UK) and (most of) the Americans (who go on about their liberties all the time) against these authoritarian measures.
Good on 'em.
OK, sure, but what does that have to do with the discussion that was actually happening? I didn't understand Bacle to mean that the vaccination was ineffective; if so he made his point in a really weird way. (No amount of vaccinations ... because they don't work?) I understood him to be saying that even if the vaccine is safe and effective it doesn't help the fact that the disease is already endemic. And I disagreed with that assessment on the basis of safe and effective vaccines making a difference against many endemic diseases: smallpox wiped out worldwide, polio wiped out in the USA, measles going from perennial wildfire to almost unheard of, etc.
It remains to be seen if COVID is something that a vaccination program can actually eliminate such as these or if the best that can be done is mitigating the numbers as with the various strains of influenza.
Not sure what else to say, Australia is lost. Whoever authorized and followed through with that needs to be hung if there is any hope of a "return to normalcy". Literally a stones throw away from gunning down non vaxxers now. "just following orders"