China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Bacle]

Heck; I grew up watching M*A*S*H reruns, and I'm technically a millennial.

Same; my sister has the entire series and I've watch them more times than I can count.

It really is a ingenius way to calm people; the image of Hawkeye and the rest tackling this virus is something that can cross generational gaps thanks to how many reruns the series has. It also creates an image that creates confidence in our medical professionals, not suspicion.

 

[Strigan44]

No but Pelosi did apparently lobby for abortion funding to be included in the bill and do so contrary to the Hyde Amendment.

EXCLUSIVE: White House Officials Allege Speaker Pelosi Pushed To Include Hyde Amendment Loophole Into Coronavirus Stimulus Plan

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sought to include a potential means to guarantee federal funding for abortion into the coronavirus economic stimulus plan.

dailycaller.com

I do like your attempt at a reversal in your stating that the Republicans are adding an amendment to ban abortion funding from some instances of the bill while also trying to imply there have been no efforts to include abortion funding into the bill from the Democrats.

Ah, a group of "officials" "allege" that Pelosi lobbied for there to be funding in the bill. Yeah, I'll need better sources than vague ancedotes in a rag with less credibility than the Huffington post.

My mother thinks virus could be the CCP's revenge for the whole trade war thing , and thinks that its suspicious that the cases in china suddenly started dropping .


My mom is pretty based.

Why would China release a virus into their own population?

 

[Bacle]

Why would China release a virus into their own population?

Have you not been informed how the CCP starved many thousands, maybe millions, of people under Mao to make the mad rush to industrialization?

Or how it's treating Uyghers?

I doubt the release was intentional. But acting as though the CCP wouldn't kill many of it's own people, or allow them to die via denial of care or resources, is disingenuous at best.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Have you not been informed how the CCP starved many thousands, maybe millions, of people under Mao to make the mad rush to industrialization?

Or how it's treating Uyghers?

I doubt the release was intentional. But acting as though the CCP wouldn't kill many of it's own people, or allow them to die via denial of care or resources, is disingenuous at best.

IF they unleashed it on their own population, I may dislike 2BDamned, but doubt and skepticism is something everybody should have BEFORE deciding something is truth

IF they made it, then it was released before they could refine it and make a cure for it

And IF it was actually made by the CCP, I think it would have been done by a small sect of idiots given funding and not everybody was aware of it even in the CCP, because if they were they’d be scrambling to stay in their bunkers and be wearing hazmat suits since the beginning of the outbreak

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Have you not been informed how the CCP starved many thousands, maybe millions, of people under Mao to make the mad rush to industrialization?

I doubt the release was intentional. But acting as though the CCP wouldn't kill many of it's own people, or allow them to die via denial of care or resources, is disingenuous at best.

The Great Leap Forward killed tens of millions and those are from the official Chinese records. The whole damn thing, along with the Cultural Revolution, was considered a disaster by Party Officials in the aftermath. They've pussyfooted around pointing the finger of blame at Mao, but they quite hastily dropped Maoism like a rock off a cliff after he died, in much the same way the Soviets did with Stalin. They are vicious, corrupt and incompetent tyrants, but thank god they aren't the utopian lunatics of yesteryear.

I don't know. A lot of the CCP's power comes from them being seen as the almighty builders of China and providers of its order, prosperity and stability. Failure to provide those things is a real blow to their image, which in a culture that excessively values saving face could prove disastrous. I think Hanlon's Razor, good old human stupidity, explains most of this quite nicely.

 

[Bacle]

IF they unleashed it on their own population, I may dislike 2BDamned, but doubt and skepticism is something everybody should have BEFORE deciding something is truth

IF they made it, then it was released before they could refine it and make a cure for it

And IF it was actually made by the CCP, I think it would have been done by a small sect of idiots given funding and not everybody was aware of it even in the CCP, because if they were they’d be scrambling to stay in their bunkers and be wearing hazmat suits since the beginning of the outbreak

The story I heard was some researchers got bitten by bats they were experimenting on (despite warnings for years about the dangers of this sort of research) and because of the long asymptomatic period, the virus got loose before anyone realized something had happened, after the researchers left the lab.

This is a mixture of incompetence and foolishness (the research they were doing and following cover-up once it was out) and bad luck (the asymptomatic period). It's no grand conspiracy, it's just normal human fuck-ups and pride causing a chain of disastrous events. It's a lot like Chernobyl in that respect.

 

[Terthna]

The story I heard was some researchers got bitten by bats they were experimenting on (despite warnings for years about the dangers of this sort of research) and because of the long asymptomatic period, the virus got loose before anyone realized something had happened, after the researchers left the lab.

This is a mixture of incompetence and foolishness (the research they were doing and following cover-up once it was out) and bad luck (the asymptomatic period). It's no grand conspiracy, it's just normal human fuck-ups and pride causing a chain of disastrous events. It's a lot like Chernobyl in that respect.

As I recall, someone leaked out that one of the research facilities near where the outbreak started ate their test animals, and also sold their meat to local markets, so my assumption has always been that's how the Corona virus got out.

 

[Bacle]

As I recall, someone leaked out that one of the research facilities near where the outbreak started ate their test animals, and also sold their meat to local markets, so my assumption has always been that's how the Corona virus got out.

That was another story I heard about how the bug got out.

And the fact is, given the incompetence and greed the CCP has display, both could be true. Selling excess lab carcasses to the meat market, or the researchers eating the bats themselves, in no way precludes the bitten researchers unknowingly exposing others.

Actually, both being true would explain how this bug got as far as it did before detection.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Honestly, I gotta say, the Chinese really love their exotic food

Disappointed that months back I didn’t get to eat more fried invertebrates during my stay there

Like really, they’re like shrimp and lobster or crab when cooked

During my time in China, I was told that what they cooked was cleaned very well, so I made the choice of trying out something new. Don’t eat lizard though, too hard to chew

 

[LordSunhawk]

Confirmed Cases within China - 81,048 (27 new)
Confirmed Deaths within China - 3,204 (10 new)
Confirmed Cases outside of China - 72,469 (10,955 new)
Confirmed Deaths outside of China - 2,531 (333 new)

Mortality rates remain stable, age of death is creeping up (data is still spotty globally, been using Western data for this calculation). Note that is has now been several days since the last reported new case in the United States. At a similar point in the transmission cycle of H1N1 there had been over a million confirmed cases in the United States and over a thousand deaths. At the same time chop in the transmission cycle for COVID-19 we are at 1678 cases and 41 deaths, highly clustered to that one elder care center in Oregon.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Say, would this mean exotic food stores will be closed after this is over? Because I actually liked that stuff

 

[Husky_Khan]

Ah, a group of "officials" "allege" that Pelosi lobbied for there to be funding in the bill. Yeah, I'll need better sources than vague ancedotes in a rag with less credibility than the Huffington post.

Anonymous officials is how all news media bases their reports now. The fact that The Democrats like you are whining about a pro-life discussion occurring around the bill is a red herring to deflect from the fact Pelosi was lobbying for funding of abortions in the bill. Daily Caller breaks the story then the Democrats started their deflection and turnabout nonsense.

And it's not just the Daily Caller of course.

Sasse Rips Pelosi for Trying to Smuggle Hyde Amendment Loophole into Coronavirus Package | National Review

“We need to be ramping up our diagnostic testing, not waging culture wars at the behest of Planned Parenthood,” said Sasse.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Duke Nukem]

Ah, a group of "officials" "allege" that Pelosi lobbied for there to be funding in the bill. Yeah, I'll need better sources than vague ancedotes in a rag with less credibility than the Huffington post.

Why would China release a virus into their own population?

Because It seems like something they would do.

Besides the CCP ain't gonna Miss a few million people , China accounts for like 20% of the human population .

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Because It seems like something they would do.

Besides the CCP ain't gonna.Miss a few million people , China accounts for like 20% of the human population .

Those few million people are what keeps their economy going

Also, they already had that idiotic one child policy that didn’t account for Chinese obsession with last names

Why can’t the girl also take care of the parents when she grows up but the guy does?

 

[Terthna]

Note that is has now been several days since the last reported new case in the United States.

Update on COVID-19 in King County for March 15, 2020 - King County

kingcounty.gov

Public Health reminds our community to respond to the need for blood donations. We are announcing several suspensions of in-person Public Health service desks. We are reporting 32 new cases today, bringing the confirmed case count total in King County to 420. In addition, two new deaths are reported, bringing the total number of confirmed deaths to 37.

Okay, that's it; either you are willfully ignorant, or a liar. Either way, I'd appreciate it if you would stop posting misinformation now.

 

[LordSunhawk]

All data is from CDC and WHO. If you'd care to call both of those sources liars, feel free, but accusing me of the same is not acceptable.

 

[StormEagle]

Update on COVID-19 in King County for March 15, 2020 - King County

kingcounty.gov

Okay, that's it; either you are willfully ignorant, or a liar. Either way, I'd appreciate it if you would stop posting misinformation now.

Or he’s using WHO and CDC statistics instead of information out of every random county in the country?

The CDC stats are, for the record, a little behind, having last been updated two days ago. So I think the accusation of lying might be a little misplaced here.

 

[Terthna]

All data is from CDC and WHO. If you'd care to call both of those sources liars, feel free, but accusing me of the same is not acceptable.

Willfully ignorant then; regardless you are spreading misinformation, about a pandemic that endangers the lives of many, and using your position as a moderator to do it. I shouldn't have to tell you that does not reflect well on the reputation of this forum's staff.

 

[Floridaman]

Those few million people are what keeps their economy going

Also, they already had that idiotic one child policy that didn’t account for Chinese obsession with last names

Why can’t the girl also take care of the parents when she grows up but the guy does?

Because the girl and her husband will already have to care for his parents, imagine the pain the us will have when the boomers who didn’t prepare try to retire, and then double it. That is what China will have to deal with.

 

[Terthna]

Or he’s using WHO and CDC statistics instead of information out of every random county in the country?

The CDC stats are, for the record, a little behind, having last been updated two days ago. So I think the accusation of lying might be a little misplaced here.

Irrelevant; King County has reported new cases every single day for weeks. There was no point in time where one could say that there had been no new cases in this county, let alone across the entire country.