Yukitama
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Some of these seem more like a Tauphys sort of thing...
A lot of them actually.
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A lot of them actually.
Grav
A confused leftist
You can’t take them from me, I already claimed them. Please don’t take them from me.
Draco
Adida
Well, there are other gods that have creatures specific to them that are related to other deities. Namely, Viv has an exclusive race of Harpies while I'm playing the god of birds (with the intent to have various half-bird/half-man creatures), and Earon and Vaad both have sea monsters.
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
The Harpies were never stated to be related to the god of birds, and in fact are stated to have an unknown origin.
There are also two other races of bird people that two other Gods have that are unrelated to The God of birds.
The idea though is that we want to collaborate with other gods to make stuff and flesh out the world, especially when it touches upon those gods' territories/domains (or, to turn it around, how would you feel if someone made something that steps into your purview and didn't think to ask for your thoughts in it?). Otherwise what's the point of having the shared worldbuilding setup at all right?
Like, I could have theoretically made a "beast race" on my own, but talking to Yukitama about the loose ideas I had helped me develop the concept in an unexpected way that I feel ultimately made it greater than it would have been, both in execution and in how it fits with the other beastlike races and the Wild Scourge (i.e. respecting the established worldbuilding for Tauphys and the Huntlands).
Like, I could have theoretically made a "beast race" on my own, but talking to Yukitama about the loose ideas I had helped me develop the concept in an unexpected way that I feel ultimately made it greater than it would have been, both in execution and in how it fits with the other beastlike races and the Wild Scourge (i.e. respecting the established worldbuilding for Tauphys and the Huntlands).
Grav
A confused leftist
I see only the Ents and Koralites as intruding on other domains. Koralites I’ll talk to @almostinsane about.
The rest are all fungal creatures though, except the Pebbles. Anybody have problems about the Pebbles?
The rest are all fungal creatures though, except the Pebbles. Anybody have problems about the Pebbles?
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
If those races predated Perzawlkhan's and Vaad's claims/sheets, then no. But you and Draco would be well within your rights, I think, to approach their creators about working together on fleshing them out.
Otherwise yes, I would say that it would have been more courteous/respectful for them to have approached you first, unless you've stated elsewhere that you don't care about it. What player has more right to create the octopus men than the octopus god after all.
As for Earon, while the [Sea] is a more broad domain I don't think it unreasonable for it to encompass marine life. Ideas with a connection to the sea could have benefited from being bounced off of the guy nominally in charge of sea stuff. Though of course if he's fine with not being involved with the process then it's a moot point, just as I'm fine with ceding any claim on birds from my [Sky] domain (though for the reason of "I'm going in a different direction", which he might not share).
almostinsane
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Which race are you talking about?
I know myself and @Yukitama talked about creating krakens and other sea monsters to keep the sea from completely tame.
Edit: And it has been canon for a while that Tauphys collaborated in the creation of each new creature/race.
Have You Seen My Son
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I think they are referring to my app? I did list some variety of strange and foreign races of sorts in my app, to add to the flavor and such of my mortals' nation. Though i'd rather not be pulled into the arguments going on above. ^^;
Conflict in Worldbuilding
almostinsane
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Well, I did give you permission to have gotten a few of Earon's kraken's for yourself.
Announcement
We have been having some excellent brain-storming in both the PM and the OOC. I love that and I like listening to new ideas. However, some issues have arisen.
1. To what extent should Tauphys be involved in every race's creation? Many people have objected to him having to be involved in every race's creation. Yet, that has been the canon previously. We need to work this issue out right now.
2. There has been talk about unfair defenses against Amenti and the undead. We will need to settle this issue as well.
As per the rules, I'd like the concerned parties, particularly the ones who have PMed me to make their opinions and arguments known.
I assure everyone that each person is not trying to step on one another's toes on purpose so, I ask you to please make your arguments without casting negative intentions on another player's part.
I personally apologize for allowing these issues to crop up. I have started a new job recently and I have not been as attentive here and in my PMs as I should have been. It is my hope we work on a resolution satisfactorily for everyone.
Draco
Adida
I wholeheartedly disapprove of Tauphys being involved in the creation of every race.
For one, this forces every player in the game to have to go to Yukitama for clearance on whether or not they get to create a race, which is way too much power over other character's societies for any one player to have.
For two, all of the player's deities are now forced to have to work with Tauphys on creating new races if the players really want them to exist, regardless of whether or not those deities even get along with him in the first place. And even then, there is an outlier to this rule with Amenti's undead, the Ghouls more specifically, being a new race that appear to have had no involvement from Tauphys and are the sole creation of Amenti. Must that now be retconned where Amenti had to reveal herself to Tauphys to get his aid in creating the Ghouls, going against her character sheet where the undead crisis had an unknown cause until Amenti revealed herself when she claimed an Avatar? If not, then that is a case of a player being arbitrarily allowed a freedom that all other players are not.
I was going to have half-bird/men creatures arise out of interbreeding between men and birds in the mythological stylings, a natural evolution that occurred outside the influence of any god, Perzawlkhan included among them, but now it appears I am forced to clear any part bird creature with Yukitama because Tauphys has been given too much power over what exists in the populace of all other nations. That's entirely unfair to me, and to every other player.
For one, this forces every player in the game to have to go to Yukitama for clearance on whether or not they get to create a race, which is way too much power over other character's societies for any one player to have.
For two, all of the player's deities are now forced to have to work with Tauphys on creating new races if the players really want them to exist, regardless of whether or not those deities even get along with him in the first place. And even then, there is an outlier to this rule with Amenti's undead, the Ghouls more specifically, being a new race that appear to have had no involvement from Tauphys and are the sole creation of Amenti. Must that now be retconned where Amenti had to reveal herself to Tauphys to get his aid in creating the Ghouls, going against her character sheet where the undead crisis had an unknown cause until Amenti revealed herself when she claimed an Avatar? If not, then that is a case of a player being arbitrarily allowed a freedom that all other players are not.
I was going to have half-bird/men creatures arise out of interbreeding between men and birds in the mythological stylings, a natural evolution that occurred outside the influence of any god, Perzawlkhan included among them, but now it appears I am forced to clear any part bird creature with Yukitama because Tauphys has been given too much power over what exists in the populace of all other nations. That's entirely unfair to me, and to every other player.
Leepysheepy
Miserable Fuzzy Humanoid
Damn son how many gods have some kind of eye gore
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What like, ALL life? All living things have to be cleared through him? I'm gonna kinda... Hard nope on that for reasons others have covered already
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almostinsane
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Not necessarily. It seems we have encountered a grey area we need to clear up.
It may be "Canon" but it seems to have not been realized to even be a part of the setting until just now by most players. Seeing Tauphys massive contempt and complete and utter lack of understanding of Kobolds, their nature, and their relation to Koy, it seems ridiculous to me that he would also have had a part in creating them. I think, therefore, the best solution is to retcon that detail that has elapsed virtually everyones notice till just recently, has had no play in the IC thread and is contradictory to Tauphys own actions, and most people are very uncomfortable with, to just him having a hand in much of life, not all.
Perhaps a compromise position would be that races older than a certain age were created with Tauphys' involvement, but newer races (such as the undead and Kobolds) were created without? That more or less keeps the original lore intact while also not beholding everyone to having to go through a single player.
Naga The Serpent
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I'm pretty fine with it?
That was the god domain they chose. They're specifically about nature and things that inhabit nature. People and races close to that are always held up a level above "just nature." This makes it so there really isn't a conflict between "a race chosen by a specific god" and other things. The issue becomes where you want to claim a bunch of other races and beasts on top of that, I feel. I thought Werewolves and Moon was cool, so I talked to nature god, and bam, werewolves.
More importantly, it causes some interactions with the god. It stops things from being super insular. If any god can make up any race or beast they want, what is the point of having that niche? We all chose things we thought could be cool and fun to work around, and I had fun negotiating with others and seeing what deals can be made around that. I would be pretty annoyed if, idk, Law Goddess was trying to dictate the future or fate for their people. No, that is what I specifically chose to play with, and if you want something like that, you have to interact and make a deal with me. That is the fun of RPs like that to me.
Anyway, just my 2 cents. I don't think Yukitamas was planning on literally every race, rather, things beyond the one or two chosen races by their god. Otherwise, you can just side step and mundane his niche, making the entire point of choosing our powers kind of moot?
That was the god domain they chose. They're specifically about nature and things that inhabit nature. People and races close to that are always held up a level above "just nature." This makes it so there really isn't a conflict between "a race chosen by a specific god" and other things. The issue becomes where you want to claim a bunch of other races and beasts on top of that, I feel. I thought Werewolves and Moon was cool, so I talked to nature god, and bam, werewolves.
More importantly, it causes some interactions with the god. It stops things from being super insular. If any god can make up any race or beast they want, what is the point of having that niche? We all chose things we thought could be cool and fun to work around, and I had fun negotiating with others and seeing what deals can be made around that. I would be pretty annoyed if, idk, Law Goddess was trying to dictate the future or fate for their people. No, that is what I specifically chose to play with, and if you want something like that, you have to interact and make a deal with me. That is the fun of RPs like that to me.
Anyway, just my 2 cents. I don't think Yukitamas was planning on literally every race, rather, things beyond the one or two chosen races by their god. Otherwise, you can just side step and mundane his niche, making the entire point of choosing our powers kind of moot?
What do you think @Yukitama
Personally I find being a gate keeper to an entire thing even if players dont want that to be kind of BS. I would not say "If you want to have a functional economy or currency, you gotta go through me." It forces players to play nice and to give over a level of control and leverage to one god, who in this case has ICly made major antagonistic actions against another, specifically by mass murdering a group of creations that another god had, completely killing his ability to participate in the opening sequence right off the bat. Now that's fine and dandy but if you also want to say that he is the father of the spirits he slaughtered, and then also didn't spend any of the time to actually get to know their significance to that god before taking those actions, then thats kind of BS.