Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Would it surprise you to learn that Bacle is one of the leftists who came here because he wasn't left enough for SV/SB?
I'm only 'left' compared to tradcons like you, I'm very much in the center compared to most of American society.
Pocky Balboa
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Considering Mayorkas just appointed a pro-Hamas stooge as the head of the office to fast-track asylum seekers and has refused to deport foreign nationals who participated in pro-Hamas rallies, the only surprise here is that they actually arrested Mr. Aloha Snackbar there
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Nah, more like a Roosevelt Republican.
Hating on FDR for the New Deal is all the rage in a lot of conservative circles, but what he accomplished saved this nation, and Teddy Roosevelt is on Mount Rushmore for good reason.
evilchumlee
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No not really. That's me too. Up until a few years ago I thought I was fairly hard left.
Now I consider myself center-left. I despise SJW's and the like, but I despise the Trump bridge even more.
Navarro
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Israeli kids killed on October 7 were actors, claims Jeremy Corbyn’s brother
“It was a lie. There was no killing of children. It was a lie, a lie, a lie. The Israeli government admit it was a lie,” Corbyn said.
www.jpost.com
Thank God his brother never became PM.
To everyone, lay off of calling others antisemetic unless you actually have real evidence of that. We don't allow for accusations of extremism without fairly solid proof, see rule 2e.
This isn't an attempt to change the meaning of a word, either. antisemitism has long meant jew hatred. You are in fact the one trying to change the meaning of a word, one with a long and widely accepted definition.
You are deciding that because a subpart of a word doesn't work perfectly, the whole word should be tossed. But that's not how language works. English doesn't make logical sense half the time. Languages, and this goes double for English, works via mass consensus.
But also, welcome to the board, we are accepting of a variety of different views here. If you avoid praising Hitler, Stalin, and Mao (those 3 specifically, it's in the TOS), and keep basic civility (as defined in the rules), you'll be fine.
... Do you know what language is? Like at all? Language only works because we agree what things mean. That's its entire purpose: so that when I say a ball is purple, you know what that means. That works, because we both agree on what purple means. Hence, purple is only purple because we all agree to call it that. That's how literally how language works, and this applies to every word.
This isn't an attempt to change the meaning of a word, either. antisemitism has long meant jew hatred. You are in fact the one trying to change the meaning of a word, one with a long and widely accepted definition.
You are deciding that because a subpart of a word doesn't work perfectly, the whole word should be tossed. But that's not how language works. English doesn't make logical sense half the time. Languages, and this goes double for English, works via mass consensus.
The thing is, doing everything feasibly possible to not kill civilians is what Israel does do (unlike the US and everyone else). I think you are missing that minimal casualties does not mean a small number of casualties. There's not a way to do this war that will not cause a horrific number of civilian casualties, and there's not a way to avoid a war that will have a horrific number of civilian casualties, as you need both sides to agree to peace.
But also, welcome to the board, we are accepting of a variety of different views here. If you avoid praising Hitler, Stalin, and Mao (those 3 specifically, it's in the TOS), and keep basic civility (as defined in the rules), you'll be fine.
evilchumlee
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Thank you, and that shouldn't be an issue. Those three are pretty terrible. No argument here.
Didn't think it would, but a quick outline of the rules is always helpful.
Israeli kids killed on October 7 were actors, claims Jeremy Corbyn’s brother
“It was a lie. There was no killing of children. It was a lie, a lie, a lie. The Israeli government admit it was a lie,” Corbyn said.
Thank God his brother never became PM.
Hasn’t become PM YET.
Navarro
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IDF soldiers raise Israeli flag in northern Gaza
This was reportedly the first time the Israeli flag has been raised in Gaza since the Disengagement in 2005.
www.jpost.com
Grimalkin
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I haven't seen a whole lot of evidence to disprove it, mostly when people try to debunk the claim they do so either by playing word games and redefining intelligence, or by publishing studies with suspect methodologies at best. People who don't want the claim to be true tend to be surprisingly good at finding evidence that it isn't.
Whereas people who largely don't give a shit look at the claim and realise that it makes sense, both of the groups that are above average in intelligence distribution are the ones that have endured a lot of selective pressure in that direction. The Ashkenazi Jews who lived in Central and Eastern Europe, and the East Asians who either had to survive Mao's policies or the Japanese meatgrinder in WW2. Caucasians are a victim of their own success in that regard, we've developed to the point where intelligence has become increasingly unnecessary, the only reason our intelligence is still increasing on average is because of sexual selection but that's really fucking slow in the grand scheme of things.
Well because it becomes a threat as soon as you accept it, as soon as homosexuality becomes acceptable or even admirable then it mutates from being an individual sexual deviation into being a social contagion.
Now killing people is going way too far, but I still think that punishing people for being gay in public is perfectly acceptable. The societal policy should be more like "Don't ask, don't tell." with the breach of such laws resulting in imprisonment for a few months and corporeal punishment like caning.
They should handle homosexuality like Singapore handled Michael Fay, honestly we should all take a page out of Singapore's book when it comes to the justice system.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Please, let's not tempt fate right now??
IDF soldiers raise Israeli flag in northern Gaza
This was reportedly the first time the Israeli flag has been raised in Gaza since the Disengagement in 2005.
It's more symbolic, like the raising of the American flag on Mount Suribachi IMO, but hopefully one hell of a morale booster for the IDF.
IDF soldiers raise Israeli flag in northern Gaza
This was reportedly the first time the Israeli flag has been raised in Gaza since the Disengagement in 2005.
Hamas belives in the right of conquest, and if you play by those rules then the enemy has every right to do the same.
Grimalkin
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I believe in the right of conquest too, that's why I'm on the side of Israel, America and Russia. In fact it's not even a matter of believing in the right of conquest, it's just a matter of recognizing it as a fact.
Terthna
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But you're not assigning the lion's share of the blame on them; you're insisting that Israel is responsible for killing civilians that, thanks to Hamas (who's civilian supporters in Gaza number quite a bit more than you seem to think they do), they must kill in order to ensure the safety of their own civilians. It's a depressing state of affairs, I'll grant you that, but there are no good options here; only least worst ones, and Israel has spent decades giving the Palestinians every chance to avoid war, only to have their efforts thrown back in their faces every single time.
Also, I wasn't necessarily accusing you of being an antisemite; just that you're uncritically buying into the antisemitic narrative that
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
The same can be applied on the Israelis if you take into consideration there is only some evidence a kingdom of Israel existed and that the Jewish of that time no longer exist and those who we know today are at best descendants of said Jewish people.
It's totally fair to consider Israel responsible for civilian deaths. At the very least, they do bear some responsibility, and for some attacks, they bear all the responsibility. They definitely bear full responsibility for the destruction of housing, for example. Similarly, the US is 100% responsible for the many civilian deaths caused by drone strikes, and so is Russia for when it's strikes kill Ukrainian civilians.
The thing is, this applies to every war: there are going to be civilian casualties and horrors. The real question is does Israel do it's practical best to minimize these, and I'd say yes.