Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[DarthOne]

Please, let's not tempt fate right now??

Look, it’s going to get worse before it gets better friend. Probably. I could be wrong; I’m no prophet.

 

[Navarro]

Israeli kids killed on October 7 were actors, claims Jeremy Corbyn’s brother

“It was a lie. There was no killing of children. It was a lie, a lie, a lie. The Israeli government admit it was a lie,” Corbyn said.

www.jpost.com

Thank God his brother never became PM.

Jeremy Corbyn refuses to condemn Hamas ‘friends’ - watch

Corbyn called for an end of "the occupation of Palestine," claiming it was the background to the whole attack.

www.jpost.com

His response to Oct. 7 would probably have been to deploy the Army to support Hamas.

 

[DarthOne]

Jeremy Corbyn refuses to condemn Hamas ‘friends’ - watch

Corbyn called for an end of "the occupation of Palestine," claiming it was the background to the whole attack.

www.jpost.com

His response to Oct. 7 would probably have been to deploy the Army to support Hamas.

Probably. Which could have led to interesting times if parts of the political establishment and military said ‘no’.

 

[Navarro]

Hasn’t become PM YET.

Labour has basically kicked him out and is running somebody else in his seat, so soon he won't even be an MP anymore.

 

[Bacle]

 

[DarthOne]

Gee, I don’t know. Maybe it’s all those economic migrants from the Middle East?

Though I’d imagine that the various rich Jews who have pushed for multiculturalism for various reasons (depending on if they’re atheistic leftists or religious and not leftists) probably hasn’t helped the perspective of non-Muslims who’ve been paying attention.

Doesn’t mean they are right to take it out on people who just happen to share the same religion/ethnicity and nothing else, of course.

 

[Terthna]

It's totally fair to consider Israel responsible for civilian deaths. At the very least, they do bear some responsibility, and for some attacks, they bear all the responsibility. They definitely bear full responsibility for the destruction of housing, for example. Similarly, the US is 100% responsible for the many civilian deaths caused by drone strikes, and so is Russia for when it's strikes kill Ukrainian civilians.

The thing is, this applies to every war: there are going to be civilian casualties and horrors. The real question is does Israel do it's practical best to minimize these, and I'd say yes.

I disagree; because the Palestinians are entirely to blame for this war happening in the first place. Meaning every death is their fault.

 

[Jormungandr]

Gee, I don’t know. Maybe it’s all those economic migrants from the Middle East?

Though I’d imagine that the various rich Jews who have pushed for multiculturalism for various reasons (depending on if they’re atheistic leftists or religious and not leftists) probably hasn’t helped the perspective of non-Muslims who’ve been paying attention.

Doesn’t mean they are right to take it out on people who just happen to share the same religion/ethnicity and nothing else, of course.

Import the third-world, become the third-world.

 

[S'task]

Gee, I don’t know. Maybe it’s all those economic migrants from the Middle East?

Though I’d imagine that the various rich Jews who have pushed for multiculturalism for various reasons (depending on if they’re atheistic leftists or religious and not leftists) probably hasn’t helped the perspective of non-Muslims who’ve been paying attention.

Doesn’t mean they are right to take it out on people who just happen to share the same religion/ethnicity and nothing else, of course.

Orthodox Jews, who are the most religious Jews, tend to vote for the right wing party in the countries they live in. In the US at least Orthodox Jews vote something like 70%+ for the Republicans and long ago split from the non-Religious Jews. This is why you saw so much hostility from the governments of New York and New York City towards the Orthodox community there during Covid, they're a disfavored minority because they no longer support the politicians they're "supposed" to support.

 

[mandragon]

looks around at the shitty used RV he lives in.

"This is privilege?"

Well you see Cherico clearly the RV is made by Ferrari and is

Let's see:


You effectively say Israel should allow Hamas's use of human shields to stop them from carrying out airstrikes, call them war crimes, and seem to care more about the lives lost in Gaza than about the dead of Oct 7th.

Saying the US needs to put boots on the ground in Gaza, when all we really need to do is get out of Israel's way, and that Israel/US need to use 'scalpel' and give Hamas a large urban warfare fight, instead of using airstrikes, also shows you want to help Hamas legitimize it's human shield tactics.

There is no 'both sides', and Israel cares more about the 'civies' in Gaza than Hamas does.

Don't want to be called an antisemitic person, don't both sides the issue and try to convince people that Israel should play the game Hamas wants.

We are also in theater to intimidate the Iranians into not actively involving themselves. Whether that is a necessary or good thing is debatable but ultimately irrelevant since it's already happening

 

[Zachowon]

Orthodox Jews, who are the most religious Jews, tend to vote for the right wing party in the countries they live in. In the US at least Orthodox Jews vote something like 70%+ for the Republicans and long ago split from the non-Religious Jews. This is why you saw so much hostility from the governments of New York and New York City towards the Orthodox community there during Covid, they're a disfavored minority because they no longer support the politicians they're "supposed" to support.

But, you see, that means it isn't all jews therefore my argument of it being all jews is dismissed!

 

[Navarro]

Wow, Gazan civilians are literally watching Hamas cinema shows of their terrorist atrocities back on October 7 and cheering like it's a football match. Utterly depraved.

 

[Zyobot]

Wow, Gazan civilians are literally watching Hamas cinema shows of their terrorist atrocities back on October 7 and cheering like it's a football match. Utterly depraved.

Don't suppose you got a link, assuming it wasn't posted already?

But yeah, even if it's been brought up before, I feel like even OG Nazis would find modern Jihadis' gruesome sadism rather needless and over-the-top. As we may recall, the Reich took pains to hide the Holocaust as best they could, whereas Hamas publicly revels in their cruelty and broadcasts it all over the world without really giving a shit.

Honestly, even if no one alive today has "out-eviled" Nazi Germany quite yet, I think we're watching the groundwork being laid for someone who eventually will as things continue to escalate over the years. No shortage of potential candidates, unfortunately, especially in the Islamic World nowadays.

 

[Abhorsen]

I disagree; because the Palestinians are entirely to blame for this war happening in the first place. Meaning every death is their fault.

That's not how fault works. The Allies are responsible for the people they killed in Dresden, not Germany, for example. You can debate whether the casualties were acceptable, necessary, etc, but the Allies were responsible.

If you kill someone in self defense, you are responsible for their death. It's just that it's not a bad thing that the person died: instead of normal, when responsibility for a death is a bad thing, now it's a neutral to positive thing.


You could perhaps argue that the moral guilt solely lies with Hamas, but then someone could flip that and argue that Israel started this because of X or Y, which provoked Hamas, and this ends with an endless back and forth.

It's easier to simply accept some responsibility, and go "I understand this will suck, but it's needed."

 

[Bigking321]

Honestly, even if no one alive today has "out-eviled" Nazi Germany quite yet, I think we're watching the groundwork being laid for someone who eventually will as things continue to escalate over the years. No shortage of potential candidates, unfortunately, especially in the Islamic World nowadays.

I don't know... I'd bet on the globalist elites beating the nazis first. Hell, maybe they already have with covid and their poison Vax nonsense. Not even counting their population control stuff like pushing abortion, sterilization with their trans indoctrination, and destroying cultures via replacement by mass immigration.

Actually, I'm positive if we knew everything our elites were doing they would have the nazis beat.

 

[Bacle]

That's not how fault works. The Allies are responsible for the people they killed in Dresden, not Germany, for example. You can debate whether the casualties were acceptable, necessary, etc, but the Allies were responsible.

If you kill someone in self defense, you are responsible for their death. It's just that it's not a bad thing that the person died: instead of normal, when responsibility for a death is a bad thing, now it's a neutral to positive thing.


You could perhaps argue that the moral guilt solely lies with Hamas, but then someone could flip that and argue that Israel started this because of X or Y, which provoked Hamas, and this ends with an endless back and forth.

It's easier to simply accept some responsibility, and go "I understand this will suck, but it's needed."

Eh, not really how it goes, when the people involved are purposefully using the civies as human shields, and threatening any Gaza citizen who doesn't stay on top of their ammo caches and launch locations.

It's really more like the Felony Murder Rule, but applied to groups and organizations; the people killed in Gaza are a consequence of Hamas using Gaza as it's cult camp/accessory.

 

[mrttao]

I don't know... I'd bet on the globalist elites beating the nazis first. Hell, maybe they already have with covid and their poison Vax nonsense. Not even counting their population control stuff like pushing abortion, sterilization with their trans indoctrination, and destroying cultures via replacement by mass immigration.

Actually, I'm positive if we knew everything our elites were doing they would have the nazis beat.

You forgot the child rape centers.
Like Epstein island.

fact is, nazies are pretty tame compared to the current crop of global oligarchs

 

[Bacle]

We got Hamas support scaling and breaching teh White House fence today.

 

[Bigking321]

Meh. No big deal.

Leftists burnt a guard house after they knocked the fence down when Trump was there.

Pretty sure the people running DC eventually apologized for the police bothering the protesters and gave them money to compensate them for the inconvenience.
(It has been a while so I might be wrong.)

Not like those nasty Jan 6rs that were just standing there and get over 2 years of prison. Some of which have had no charges or trail. For a potential misdemeanor. That doesn't count if the guards opened the doors and let them in. Which they did.

 

[Jormungandr]

Wow, Gazan civilians are literally watching Hamas cinema shows of their terrorist atrocities back on October 7 and cheering like it's a football match. Utterly depraved.

Again, the Palestinians are Hamas, and Hamas are the Palestinians.

You try to tell people this, and they immediately try to dismiss it as "bigotry" and "racism" despite the fucking facts being pounded into their very faces from even MSM (which is biased).

Hell, they're even celebrating in other countries' cities by defiling their landmarks (look at London, for example), assembling rallies, attacking natives, and committing crimes which'd get anyone else arrested.

Are there outliers? Yes, but that's what they are -- outliers. Anomalies.

And since Hamas are worse than fucking rabid animals... do the math.

Fuck Palestine and the Palestinians.