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Hell he could have aimed for some visible position in the administration after running out of terms as governor to keep his name recognition up if he was worried about falling by the wayside. I don't think he recovers here either. I think we just watched him burn all his political capital in an attempt to go for the gold medal and fail miserably. He changed rules in Florida so he could roll over his leftover funds from the gubernatorial elections to this primary. He pushed to change rules so he could run for president while still being the Florida governor. they used to have a rule against that because they thought it would take to much time from actually running the state. he did all this and he isn't beating Trump in his home state.
 
Yep. He was a republican superstar.

If he had just waited 4 years he would have had the nomination easy.

Unless he had the same people as he has now running his campaign, of course.

But now? Nope. It was a huge mistake to run now. And as bad as his campaign has gone? It's over.
 
Bigking321 said:
Yep. He was a republican superstar.

If he had just waited 4 years he would have had the nomination easy.

Unless he had the same people as he has now running his campaign, of course.

But now? Nope. It was a huge mistake to run now. And as bad as his campaign has gone? It's over.
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I'm pretty sure Desantis had some Never-Trumpers whispering in his ear like Silvertongue.
 
Honestly, there is only one way I see DeSantis or Female Darth Cheney getting the nomination at this stage. And it would be such a poison pill, such a bad idea, that I can honestly see the RNC leadership trying it.

They can try to pull what they did in 2012. The shit they pulled to destroy the Ron Paul Revolution is downright astounding, and I can honestly see them trying to do the same to MAGA in 2024.

The problem being, Trump is not Paul. He would not take such a move lying down, and would likely run third party at that stage.

The GOP, being masters at shooting themselves in the foot, might just be stupid enough to do it anyways.

Damn the consequences, the donors and lobbyists don’t like him.

I, personally, look forward to the convention.
 
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The problem with DeSantis is that he really has no stage presence or charisma to speak of. That’s fine in a policy wonk governor, and he traded barbs with the media relatively well, but it doesn’t exactly gin up excitement for a presidential run.

The way his campaign has been run has also been an ongoing clusterfuck. I’m honestly not sure that it could have been run more incompetently, and DeSantis needs to take a serious look at firing some people.

If this is how his campaign was in the primary season, I’d hate to see it in the general.

His other problem is that he decided to run against Trump, a man that rarely pulls punches against perceived enemies and who has the loyalty of the grassroots base.

Deciding to run against him was a mistake, when he could have just endorsed Trump, bided his time in Florida until 28, and likely had Trump in his corner come that election period.

Instead, some of the GOP base now regards him quite negatively, where before people were speaking of him as the heir presumptive once Trump couldn’t run for office.

I honestly don’t know if DeSantis can recover enough ground to run in 28.
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So in the end, Ron DeSantis turned out to be just another Dan Crenshaw; a poser who can't actually deliver when it matters.
 
I would like to point out that trump surrounded himself with the swamp, and kept appointing swamp creatures because they flattered his ego. Who then gleefully betrayed him. And he didn't even bother giving a pardon to the jan 6th protestors before leaving office.

Meanwhile, DeSantis has been actually very effective in breaking the liberal cult in his state.

Also IIRC DeSantis was publically pro trump... but then trump started running attack ads against DeSantis (instead of against the liberals).

So, did I miss something? Did something happen that makes all of you suddenly villify DeSantis?
 
mrttao said:
I would like to point out that trump surrounded himself with the swamp, and kept appointing swamp creatures because they flattered his ego. Who then gleefully betrayed him.
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He trusted that the establishment Republicans were on his side and actually wanted to win. A major flaw to be sure but I very much doubt he didn't learn that lesson.
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And he didn't even bother giving a pardon to the jan 6th protestors before leaving office.
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Fair enough I suppose. But can the president even give pardons without the charge of a crime? Wasn't it like a year and a half before they actually charged anyone they imprisoned with a crime?

I somewhat doubt Trump thought they would be as evil and corrupt as they were to Jan 6th people. Hell, Blm people did billions in damages and like 60 deaths but the vast majority of them that were arrested were released the next day or so with no charges.

I admit that I was surprised they went all third world gulag on Jan 6th people for misdemeanor trespassing.
 
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mrttao said:
I would like to point out that trump surrounded himself with the swamp, and kept appointing swamp creatures because they flattered his ego. Who then gleefully betrayed him. And he didn't even bother giving a pardon to the jan 6th protestors before leaving office.

Meanwhile, DeSantis has been actually very effective in breaking the liberal cult in his state.

Also IIRC DeSantis was publically pro trump... but then trump started running attack ads against DeSantis (instead of against the liberals).

So, did I miss something? Did something happen that makes all of you suddenly villify DeSantis?
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He's running a terrible campaign, and seems to have made the exact same mistake Trump did in trusting the Republican establishment.
 
Blasterbot said:
He wouldn't win. he would pull Romney numbers based on polling data I've seen. he could have easily run in 28 and been the guy to beat. he may have had a shot here. his campaign has been actively damaging to the point that most people who I talk to who know him attribute his success to the Republican supermajority in Florida and not him now. It sucks but thems the breaks. at this point he is staying in to see if Trump gets taken off the ballots so he has a shot. the base knows this and they don't like it.
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This is more your opinion than anything close to the truth. One of the companies I work for does political analytics and you're just spewing Trumps partisan line.

1. DeSantis national favorability rating is few points less than Trumps and the two go back and forth, so if your argument is "polling data shows he'd lose" then your argument applies to Trump as well so what's with the pushback? The reason he's losing favorability anyway is due to Trump supporters no longer liking him (his rating was where Trump is now at the start of his campaign) and they'd surely vote for him over Biden anyway

2. I seriously doubt anyone, save for maybe Trump if things go really bad for him, would lose to Joe Biden at this point.
 
mrttao said:
I would like to point out that trump surrounded himself with the swamp, and kept appointing swamp creatures because they flattered his ego. Who then gleefully betrayed him. And he didn't even bother giving a pardon to the jan 6th protestors before leaving office.

Meanwhile, DeSantis has been actually very effective in breaking the liberal cult in his state.

Also IIRC DeSantis was publically pro trump... but then trump started running attack ads against DeSantis (instead of against the liberals).

So, did I miss something? Did something happen that makes all of you suddenly villify DeSantis?
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kinda but not quite. As you said publicly he was pro trump. behind closed doors? dealing with the donor class? different story. so Trump finds out that DeSantis is making moves to run in 2024 against him in the primary and starts running the ads. The fact that Desantis's Campaign has been shit just makes him look worse.

Poe said:
This is more your opinion than anything close to the truth. One of the companies I work for does political analytics and you're just spewing Trumps partisan line.

1. DeSantis national favorability rating is few points less than Trumps and the two go back and forth, so if your argument is "polling data shows he'd lose" then your argument applies to Trump as well so what's with the pushback? The reason he's losing favorability anyway is due to Trump supporters no longer liking him (his rating was where Trump is now at the start of his campaign) and they'd surely vote for him over Biden anyway

2. I seriously doubt anyone, save for maybe Trump if things go really bad for him, would lose to Joe Biden at this point.
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Maybe. What I've seen indicates that roughly half of Trump voters would not vote for the nominee if it isn't Trump. considering Trumps numbers range depending on state and poll between high 40s to 60 that is a big portion of the Republican base you risk losing. That is why I bring up Romney's numbers specifically. Trump brought in the MAGA base. The MAGA base is not traditional republicans. If they think the Republicans won't represent them? they will vote 3rd party or stay home. with down ballot consequences. Lower turn out would mean even if Biden isn't popular he has a good shot at sailing through based on the vote blue no matter who mentality the dems have been cultivating.
 
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Honestly, pretty telling how even these left-slanted polls are starting to favor Trump now. The Dems can still cheat to Hell, of course, but I find it quite telling that the usual trend of Biden beating Trump has started to reverse course. :unsure:
 
Bigking321 said:
But can the president even give pardons without the charge of a crime? Wasn't it like a year and a half before they actually charged anyone they imprisoned with a crime?
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I believe that pardons can be issued with regard to potentially criminal acts that haven't been charged yet but not for ones that haven't been committed yet. "I pardon you for anything and everything you did before the issuance of this pardon" would be the extreme limit. Ford pardoned Nixon for "all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974." (i.e. the time he was president, but not limited to things he did in his capacity as president)
 
So I was looking at the filing deadlines for running, and a bunch of them have already passed. Joe might be a lock for the Dems at this point if he doesn't drop out.

Deadline to run for president, 2024

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Alabama, Arkansas, Nevada, New Hampshire have already had their deadlines pass. Next up is Florida at the end of November, then a few in mid December, including Texas and California. I think the dems are pretty close to being stuck.
 
StormEagle said:
The problem being, Trump is not Paul. He would not take such a move lying down, and would likely run third party at that stage.

The GOP, being masters at shooting themselves in the foot, might just be stupid enough to do it anyways.
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I say this as someone who isn't paid and legit doesn't want any fuckery going on.

"If Trump loses the nomination regardless of his excuse and runs again knowing full well and utterly that it will split the vote and lead to a complete loss of the right to the left in 2024, he will never be respected again in any major capacity within the right voter base or any of his successors."

That is the truth love it or hate it. A vast majority of us would rather have a RINO who at least by virtue of lip service will somewhat hinder the left's inevitable advance over another four years of Biden.

You can argue all you want about ideological purity or not conceding an inch but when push comes to shove a vast majority of Americans would rather take what they can as they can rather than just giving in for the sake of it.
 
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I say this as someone who isn't paid and legit doesn't want any fuckery going on.

"If Trump loses the nomination regardless of his excuse and runs again knowing full well and utterly that it will split the vote and lead to a complete loss of the right to the left in 2024, he will never be respected again in any major capacity within the right voter base or any of his successors."

That is the truth love it or hate it. A vast majority of us would rather have a RINO who at least by virtue of lip service will somewhat hinder the left's inevitable advance over another four years of Biden.

You can argue all you want about ideological purity or not conceding an inch but when push comes to shove a vast majority of Americans would rather take what they can as they can rather than just giving in for the sake of it.
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The republicuck establishment is almost as big an enemy as the democrats.
The GOP is long past the time of needing to be taken back behind the barn and put out of its misery.

This is not "ideological purity". It is simple fact that both parties want to rape us, together.
 
mrttao said:
The republicuck establishment is almost as big an enemy as the democrats.
The GOP is long past the time of needing to be taken back behind the barn and put out of its misery.

This is not "ideological purity". It is simple fact that both parties want to rape us, together.
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I don't give a shit your views on how bad the establishment is, your concession that it is 'almost as bad' only proves my point that one even if not to your ideal standards it is better than the other by some virtue even if it's not preferred.

So yeah, it's about 'ideological purity' if Trump splits the vote or any establishment member for that matter if they get pissed enough to run independent against him.
 
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Free-Stater 101 said:
I don't give a shit your views on how bad the establishment is, your concession that it is 'almost as bad' only proves my point that one even if not to your ideal standards is better than the other by some virtue even if it's not preferred.

So yeah, it's about 'ideological purity' if Trump splits the vote or any establishment member for that matter if they get pissed enough to run independent against them.
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I don't give a shit that you are shitting out platitudes like "ideological purity"

We have seen time and time and time again that the republicuck establishment backstabs us, the people.
The only true goal they have is to suppress populists like trump.
Most of them vote right alongside the democrats every time something important happens.

They won't protect any of our rights, and they always either cave in to the democrats or outright support them.
We got the extreme woke liberals (democrats) and the slightly less extreme woke liberals (republican establishment).

You have decided to surrender, you do not want change, you do not want to fix anything. All you want is to try the same thing again and again despite it having failed every single time it was tried.
Saying "this time it will be different. this time the RINO party won't backstab me", "ok the RINO party took away more of our rights and supported the democrats again on everything. but if it was democrats in power they would have done even worse".

I am not content to be constrained by your false binary of having to choose between being raped by the guy with the knife or the guy with the lube bottle.
I am not content with saying "the rapist with the lube bottle is the lesser evil".

This is not a matter of me being unwilling to compromise. it is a matter of the rino party being actively malicious controlled opposition party who is actively in bed with the demonrat party.
 
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