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TheRejectionist

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IndyFront said:
SA also has extremely close ties with the US,
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Unless Trump gets elected in November, and even then it's a big IF, I doubt there are going to be cozy as pre-Trump or during Trump.
IndyFront said:
and through the US, Israel. There is absolutely no guarantee that SA would side with Iran. Iran's allies would more likely come from outside of the ME. I don't even think Turkey would side with Iran, they're more pro-Hamas than they are pro-Iran.
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Turkey is pro-Israel because they are allowing the Azerbaijani gas to flow to Israel. They are just bad towards each other with words because Bibi reminded them of their past, which is a good nerve to touch on them. So they are still pro-Israel, but are as trustworthy as Israel :LOL:
 
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Still Iran is the crazy one here. Logically the Arabs and Jews do have beef. Even if the Arabs were secular and weren't Islamists they would still have beef. Iran only has beef with Israel because they have to simp for Arab Muslims which don't like them because they share a same faith.

If Iran was rational they should be the one allying with Israel against the Arabs.
 
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strunkenwhite said:
Hasn't Israel been actively (and kinetically) suppressing Iran's quest for the exact same nukes that everyone knows Israel already has? Saying there's no reason for beef there is pretty wild.
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The big reason Israel cares about Iran getting nukes is because Iran is fucking with Israel. If Israel was like Poland or Switzerland or Germany, or Japan. They wouldn't be trying to blow up their shit. America might, but not Israel since well it wouldn't be too much of a problem if their ally gets nuclear weapons.
 
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From what I've seen in indie news on YouTube, Iran's in a bit of a panic because the forward bases/air defences they set up in proxy areas (e.g. Syria, Lebanon) were bombed by Israeli F-35's... and they didn't see them coming. Literally.

So all those Soviet-era missile systems they've got set up? Yeah, they're pretty much fucking useless. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Jormungandr said:
From what I've seen in indie news on YouTube, Iran's in a bit of a panic because the forward bases/air defences they set up in proxy areas (e.g. Syria, Lebanon) were bombed by Israeli F-35's... and they didn't see them coming. Literally.

So all those Soviet-era missile systems they've got set up? Yeah, they're pretty much fucking useless. :ROFLMAO:
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Looks like the conflict is settling down. Israel decided on a rather limited strike and it looks like Iran's reaction is one big 'meh', trying to play it off as a victory.
 
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IndyFront said:
Looks like the conflict is settling down. Israel decided on a rather limited strike and it looks like Iran's reaction is one big 'meh', trying to play it off as a victory.
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Just seen an update that Israel have bombed an Iranian base. I'm not sure if it's referring to the previous bombings and the news service is just slow to report it, or if it's a new strike.

If it's a new strike, then the conflict isn't "settling down" apparently? :unsure:
 
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49ersfootball said:
Despite the strike being limited ? 🤔
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"Our totally justified defensive actions" vs "their senseless aggression".

Because in both sides' minds, when the other guy hits you back, it was never because of what you did. No, it was just an out of the blue act of hate. So you hit him back. And then he hits you back. And then...

This sort of thing can go on for generations, with no one living on earth left who remembers how the feud started.
 
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Scottty said:
"Our totally justified defensive actions" vs "their senseless aggression".

Because in both sides' minds, when the other guy hits you back, it was never because of what you did. No, it was just an out of the blue act of hate. So you hit him back. And then he hits you back. And then...

This sort of thing can go on for generations, with no one living on earth left who remembers how the feud started.
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The Iranian parliament has literally been chanting "death to Israel" since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, while Israel had absolutely no beef with them beyond self defense, and was even allied with the previous Iranian government before Iran started all this bullshit. So please don't "bothsame" this.
 
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GoldRanger said:
The Iranian parliament has literally been chanting "death to Israel" since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, while Israel had absolutely no beef with them beyond self defense, and was even allied with the previous Iranian government before Iran started all this bullshit. So please don't "bothsame" this.
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And helping shah secret police torture muslims,which now rule there."No beef" , indeed.
 
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ATP said:
And helping shah secret police torture muslims,which now rule there."No beef" , indeed.
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ATP there is a difference between giving support to the then legitimate government of Iran and actively sending soldiers overseas. Also Irans leaders should grow up and stop holding a grudge they are now in charge and should act in a way that is best for their country.
 
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GoldRanger said:
The Iranian parliament has literally been chanting "death to Israel" since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, while Israel had absolutely no beef with them beyond self defense, and was even allied with the previous Iranian government before Iran started all this bullshit. So please don't "bothsame" this.
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Hi GoldRanger, not seen you posting here in a while.
No, I'm not trying to "bothsame" it - for a long-running feud to start, one side or the other have to start it.
But the thing can then take on a life of its own, where if you ask them "look, what is your grievance with those other guys?" you find they have forgotten why they even started it. "They are the enemy because they are fighting against us".

My guess would be that they see whoever supported the Shah as their enemies. But now they are riding a tiger of their own creation.
 
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King Arts said:
ATP there is a difference between giving support to the then legitimate government of Iran and actively sending soldiers overseas. Also Irans leaders should grow up and stop holding a grudge they are now in charge and should act in a way that is best for their country.
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No can do.
Iran's leaders are not isolationist clowns like some people here and have no intention of losing their beliefs and brains alike to become that. They are theocrats with ambitions. Islamic revolution, rings a bell? It sure does in Iran...
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And helping shah secret police torture muslims,which now rule there."No beef" , indeed.
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Their only mistake was that they were just imprisoning and persecuting them instead of killing them. There's plenty of evidence by now that half measures with jihadis never work out well.
 
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Scottty said:
Hi GoldRanger, not seen you posting here in a while.
No, I'm not trying to "bothsame" it - for a long-running feud to start, one side or the other have to start it.
But the thing can then take on a life of its own, where if you ask them "look, what is your grievance with those other guys?" you find they have forgotten why they even started it. "They are the enemy because they are fighting against us".

My guess would be that they see whoever supported the Shah as their enemies. But now they are riding a tiger of their own creation.
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Iran's grievance is religion-based, Israel's grievance is survival-based. Nobody has forgot anything.
 
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