Tucker Carlson Leaving Fox News

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What it comes down to is that the Ukrainian supporters don’t seem to trust their fellow citizens very much.

They do not trust the public of their nations to make the correct decision, so the public cannot be exposed to an alternative viewpoint. The public are idiots, so better that they not get exposed to dangerous misinformation.

It’s ultimately a very elitist viewpoint.

You’re treating your fellow citizens like children, infantilizing them in a way.

Let the public be exposed to the information, be prepared with logical arguments that aren’t centered on emotion, and let the debate happen.
 
StormEagle said:
What it comes down to is that the Ukrainian supporters don’t seem to trust their fellow citizens very much.

They do not trust the public of their nations to make the correct decision, so the public cannot be exposed to an alternative viewpoint. The public are idiots, so better that they not get exposed to dangerous misinformation.

It’s ultimately a very elitist viewpoint.

You’re treating your fellow citizens like children, infantilizing them in a way.

Let the public be exposed to the information, be prepared with logical arguments that aren’t centered on emotion, and let the debate happen.
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Don't let Bacle and Zachowon represent all of us in your mind.

I think what Tucker's doing is probably foolish, but since we're not actually at war, it's absolutely something he's allowed to do.

I have some vague hope he'll actually realize Putin is an explicit enemy of not just America, but pretty much all that's good in this world, but it's one of the things Tucker's been bad on for a long time. Just because a lot of the American political establishment is utterly corrupt and immoral, doesn't mean Putin isn't.

I'd prefer it if Tucker would focus on things like J6 and Democrats other egregious abuses of power, but that's just my preference.

If he actually comes out of an interview like this with something useful to say, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
StormEagle said:
What it comes down to is that the Ukrainian supporters don’t seem to trust their fellow citizens very much.

They do not trust the public of their nations to make the correct decision, so the public cannot be exposed to an alternative viewpoint. The public are idiots, so better that they not get exposed to dangerous misinformation.

It’s ultimately a very elitist viewpoint.

You’re treating your fellow citizens like children, infantilizing them in a way.
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If propaganda didn't work, you wouldn't have so many governments throw mind boggling sums of money into it since it was invented.
If propaganda didn't work, China, Russia and so on would let western countries to freely distribute it among their populations. If anyone knows a lot about whether it works or not, they can be considered experts. After all, why waste secret police efforts on countering something that's other side's waste of money.
Elitist or not, aggressive shilling has at least some effect when applied to a general audience at least, that's how it is, and if its done by a public figure that audience trusts it works better (every ad company spending more money than most of us will ever see in their lives hiring a celebrity understands that).
StormEagle said:
Let the public be exposed to the information, be prepared with logical arguments that aren’t centered on emotion, and let the debate happen.
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Yeah, because everyone will just consider this like an emotionless, blank slate robots with no personal, ideological and political sympathies, and make a perfectly logical decision about this stuff...
Yeah, go to our local Ukraine threads and tell me how that works out.
 
Some people keep mistaking human's for Vulcan's for some reason, particularly on parts of the Right.
 
Rocinante said:
Hiding information from people because you think they'll make the "wrong" decision is pretty fucking evil and shitty.
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CCP and Tiktok liked it. So did groomers who want certain books put in front of as many people as possible for some reasons.
"Hiding information".
Yeah. Information. Totally correct term to use right here.
 
Bacle said:
No American citizen should be traveling to Russia at all these days except State Dept folks for work at the Embassy.
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Why? Russia hasn't done me wrong, globohomo has wronged me and mine, the managerial classes have wronged me and mine.

Interventionists have wronged me and mine.

Communists have wronged me and mine


A bunch of barbarians who shit in igloos have never harmed me.

But their enemies inside the US have destroyed my foster home and killed many of my countrymen with opium, soyglop and grooming.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
We have, but many others are very much NOT informed.
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Anyone whose been listening to Tucker Carlson has already been quite well informed as to a Ukrainian Skeptic POV thanks to his repeated interviews with Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Andrew Tate and Colonel Douglas MacGregor etc.
 
Husky_Khan said:
Anyone whose been listening to Tucker Carlson has already been quite well informed as to a Ukrainian Skeptic POV thanks to his repeated interviews with Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Andrew Tate and Colonel Douglas MacGregor etc.
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But we haven't watched a prominent American interview Putin himself.
 
Rocinante said:
But we haven't watched a prominent American interview Putin himself.
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I was addressing the point was that no one was informed. Tucker's audience has been very well informed on that POV.

Multiple media outlets have been pursuing interviews for Putin ever since this conflict started despite the risk of false imprisonment and other dangers real and imagined, but Putin has declined them all due to "Russophobia" which is his right of course. But I don't see this particular interview as some landmark achievement in journalism. It does seem more akin to Jane Fonda's media work with the North Vietnamese as brought up earlier, but we'll see when the interview is released.
 
Marduk said:
CCP and Tiktok liked it. So did groomers who want certain books put in front of as many people as possible for some reasons.
"Hiding information".
Yeah. Information. Totally correct term to use right here.
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Letting people hear Putins rationale and viewpoint isn't the same thing as pushing sex on children. No one expects you to have a balanced view of Russia, but America is not Poland and Americans are allowed to hear Putin out and decide if they think being eternal enemies is the right decision. Obviously those who are set on being pro-Ukrainian will hate this, that doesn't give them the right to silence anyone with a differing opinion and damn sure doesn't give them the right to banish those who dare visit Russia. Also non-Americans opinion do not matter here, period.

Husky_Khan said:
I was addressing the point was that no one was informed. Tucker's audience has been very well informed on that POV.

Multiple media outlets have been pursuing interviews for Putin ever since this conflict started despite the risk of false imprisonment and other dangers real and imagined, but Putin has declined them all due to "Russophobia" which is his right of course. But I don't see this particular interview as some landmark achievement in journalism. It does seem more akin to Jane Fonda's media work with the North Vietnamese as brought up earlier, but we'll see when the interview is released.
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Tucker himself already fully agrees with Putin and is loved in Russia iirc. This isn't going to be a gripping interview where he really drills Putin or brings any new information or perspective to light.
 
Zachowon said:
I domt think he should ne barred from coming back
Just that he js doing exactly what the left has been claiming about the right since 2016
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I mean if you (The proverbial 'you') keep on claiming somebody does something, while they don't do it. It kinda just incentivizes doing it.
"YOU ARE NASTY RUSSIAN BOTS!"
>Has nothing to do with russia
"YOU SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE TRAITORS BECAUSE YOU'RE PRO RUSSIA!"
>Still nothing to do with Russia
"I BET JANUARY 6TH WAS A RUSSIAN OPERATION!"
>Absolutely nothing Russian involved
"WE NEED TO TRY OUR BEST TO DESTROY RUSSIA AND THE RIGHT WHO SUPPORTS THEM!"
>Still nothing
"JUST WHY CAN"T WE FIND ANY EVIDENCE CONNECTING THE TWO? HOW DEEP IS THE RABBIT HOLE!?"
>Tucker interviews a world leader
"I KNEW IT! I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!"
 
Also can I just say that due to the West sperging out over this scenario, Putin now has a prime slab of propaganda he can get basically for free? They just Streisand-effected HARD.

Tucker already is very popular in the West, dude by himself is more popular than entire TV channels, he's considered trustworthy or at least more trustworthy than most journalists.

So now you have what is considered a relatively unbiased journalist being barred from entering a country? Being barred from doing an interview? Now just who are the tyrants here?

Well, putin, obviously, nobody is going to disagree on that.
But now the West has just stooped to his level and now both Tucker and presumably Putin is going to use that as much as they can to further their own points.
 
The Immortal Watch Dog said:
Why? Russia hasn't done me wrong, globohomo has wronged me and mine, the managerial classes have wronged me and mine.

Interventionists have wronged me and mine.

Communists have wronged me and mine


A bunch of barbarians who shit in igloos have never harmed me.

But their enemies inside the US have destroyed my foster home and killed many of my countrymen with opium, soyglop and grooming.
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...who do you think pushed those commies to do what they did in the first place, you credulously dumb fuck who wants to pretend Russia 'hasn't done nothing to me', while whining about commies in the same post.

It's like after 2020 parts of the Right just completely ignored and memory-holed exactly where the ideology of their enemies originates from.

But nah, just ignore how the USSR/Russia pushed those commies into power around the world, and how they made Ukraine give up their nukes/destroy their strategic bomber force for 'security guarantees' that amounted to nothing once 2014 rolled around.

You dumb sons of bitches are falling for the mother of all gifts to the Dems, if Trump takes his lead from this/the GOP backs this sort of madness.

MAKING 'RUSSIAN COLLUSION HOAX' INTO 'RUSSIAN COLLUSION REALITY' IS NOT A GOOD THING.
 
Bacle said:
...who do you think pushed those commies to do what they did in the first place, you credulously dumb fuck who wants to pretend Russia 'hasn't done nothing to me', while whining about commies in the same post.
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The USSR collapsed in the 90s, three decades ago.

And the Cninese took over their psyops in the 1970s anyway.

You wanna talk credulous imagine trying to sell people that a country that hasn't existed for almost half a century is responsible for my social ills.

Nah left leaning Americans, bureaucratic Amsricans and high earning college grads who don't deserve their incomes did this.

Not some octogenarian has beens who presided over a dying empire.

You are fundamentally irrational about this Bacle, you're even using Bushite talking points.

A child of MK Ultra has no business lecturing those whose eyes are open.
 
Bacle said:
...who do you think pushed those commies to do what they did in the first place, you credulously dumb fuck who wants to pretend Russia 'hasn't done nothing to me', while whining about commies in the same post.

It's like after 2020 parts of the Right just completely ignored and memory-holed exactly where the ideology of their enemies originates from.

But nah, just ignore how the USSR/Russia pushed those commies into power around the world, and how they made Ukraine give up their nukes/destroy their strategic bomber force for 'security guarantees' that amounted to nothing once 2014 rolled around.

You dumb sons of bitches are falling for the mother of all gifts to the Dems, if Trump takes his lead from this/the GOP backs this sort of madness.

MAKING 'RUSSIAN COLLUSION HOAX' INTO 'RUSSIAN COLLUSION REALITY' IS NOT A GOOD THING.
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Nobody in here is even agreeing with Russia, or Putin.

Sure, we might have a couple members here who support Russia, but the vast majority don't. We are just saying that journalists interviewing leaders about massive, world changing wars, is a part of journalism, and is a valuable thing that journalists do.

And you're in here like REEEEEE TUCKER BAD PUTIN BAD HE SHOULD STAY IN RUSSIA REEEEEEE
 
Rocinante said:
Nobody in here is even agreeing with Russia, or Putin.

Sure, we might have a couple members here who support Russia, but the vast majority don't. We are just saying that journalists interviewing leaders about massive, world changing wars, is a part of journalism, and is a valuable thing that journalists do.

And you're in here like REEEEEE TUCKER BAD PUTIN BAD HE SHOULD STAY IN RUSSIA REEEEEEE
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I like how I'm the only guy who shits on Russia so hard I use designated shitting Igloo memes.

But bacle is implying hard that I'm a Russian asset.

This is amazing
 
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