Tucker Carlson Leaving Fox News

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So, real question here, are there historical examples of attackers blowing up a dam upstream of a flood zone covering a large geographical area in which they are about to be, or currently, conducting offensive operations?

I'm fairly confident there are historical examples of defenders doing this when the attacker is in that position.
The Soviets blew a dam on this exact river in 1941 to delay the Nazi's, and killed tens of thousands of Ukrainians in the process.


Pretty much every dam blow I know of in history has been a defensive move, not something carried out by attacking forces, and Ukraine was not in danger of the Russians pushing across that river again, but Russia very much was in danger of Ukraine getting easy access across with the western bridging gear that has gone to Ukraine.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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I like how public opinion of Ukraine changed from "corrupt USA-led puppet government shithole infested with human traffickers and other nasties" to "Innocent progressive nation under threat by Adolf Putler"
Let em both burn.

This is very important to remember.

We are being sacrificed, our children are being sacrificed literally and metaphorically. The GAE and its literal. Big gay banker buddies want Americans poor and weak and psyopped so they had their puppets in Kiev and Moscow start a war to further destroy us weaken the world on behalf of their own masters in Beijing and Davos.

There is no nation in Eastern Europe that is a legitimate nation. All those countries are analogous to Central African nations in the 1970s and West African nations in the 1990s and early 2000's and to what the US in danger of becoming.


They are hopelessly corrupt, they hate each other and periodically erupt in ethnic bitchfits on par with Rwanda.

They are all enemies of our domestic interests, they are the alien, they are the distant foreign other.

Fuck them all, let them all burn.

And thank God people like Tucker are turning American popular opinion away from The Ukraine and back to isolationist tendencies.

The world has forsaken us, the world has sucked our blood and treasure almost bone dry.

We don't owe them anything and we have been cleaning up European messes since the fucking 1700s.

Enough is enough

Let them all blow themselves up.

Not a single individual matters from a geopolitical perspective unless that individual is American.

The world owes us and until they pay up everyone outside our borders can get fucked.
 
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TheRejectionist

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Tucker is lying and misleading folks about the dam, just like he did with Nord Stream.
No. The only one who has been misleading and lying is the current puppet US administration with their minions.
He has no idea how to think at a strategic level and game out what the effects of the flooding would be long term, and was thinking about the dam in very simplistic terms that ignore so many factors; hint, this is not good for Ukraine either, not by a long shot.

Yes, Ukraine had hit one of the flood gates before, and had targeted the road way to hinder Russians bringing armor over it back when they were advancing on Kherson. Also, no one in the area heard incoming shell last night, this was an internal demolition, not a missile or shell strike.

He also ignores that Russia did this likely to make cross bank raids/movements even harder across the river, cut off the Crimean canal to make Crimea a desert when Ukraine reclaims it, and to make the situation at the nuclear plant up-river even dicer, and Russia has already staged weapons and explosives in that nuke plant.

Blowing the dam also is going to leave multiple irrigation canals, besides the Crimean canal, empty for likely years, maybe decades, and those are one's Ukraine needs for it's people.

This is Russia going 'if I cannot have it, no one can' to all of the areas they control between Kherson and the Sea of Azov, because they expect to lose those lands when the Ukrainian's cut the land bridge to Crimea.

This is the same as the Nazi's torching anything the allies could use as they began retreating in Europe, and Russia blew a dam over the same river back in WW2 to delay the Nazi's in 1941, killing ~100k Ukrainians in the process.

This is much believable as Pfizer PR at promoting their gene therapy covid vax. I have been pushed propaganda from Washington and the EU for 2 years and it shows. Everybody here has been and it is the same all over again.

I am just happy seeing that many watching it, hopefully it will bear fruit and in actual action.

And @Rocinante is right about you and Ukie propaganda. You are just like Vaermina but instead of pro-lockdown/vax you are pro-Ukraine and pro-Biden policies.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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The only difference between Idi Amin and Vadimir Zelensky? Is that I can't prove Zelensky is a cannibal, though he probably is given who he hangs out with.

Also Amin had better fashion sense.

The only difference between Vladimir Putin and Francisco Macaias? Putin hasn't exterminated half the population of Russia....yet.

Otherwise? They're both piece of shit pale faced cold war era African style tinpots propped up by corrupt foreign regimes and little else.

Fuck em both.
 

ShieldWife

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Saying what he does about the Russia-Ukraine War is one of the best ways that Tucker can help our country and the world. All of the other media figures, on the left and the supposed right, have been more or less spewing the same neo-con, neo-lib, GAE talking points about how we need to stand up for Ukraine. Tucker is one of the only guys with a big platform willing to tell the truth about the war and the huge role that the West has played in causing it.

Even if the globalists didn’t cause this war, a war between Ukraine and Russia still wouldn’t be any of our business. Of course, the real enemies of the American people are our own rulers who want to expand the GAE no matter how much American treasure or lives it takes - in fact lost American lives and money is probably a benefit as far as they are concerned.

So more support for this war, more aid to Ukraine, ultimately hurts and endangers everybody accept the small number of corrupt plutocrats and deep staters who are orchestrating conflict to increase their own power.

So good for Tucker sticking to his guns on this.
 

LordsFire

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Of course, the real enemies of the American people are our own rulers who want to expand the GAE no matter how much American treasure or lives it takes - in fact lost American lives and money is probably a benefit as far as they are concerned.
You're more or less right about this sentence, though I wouldn't have worded it that way.

Everything else about this post is completely wrong.
 

Marduk

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Saying what he does about the Russia-Ukraine War is one of the best ways that Tucker can help our country and the world. All of the other media figures, on the left and the supposed right, have been more or less spewing the same neo-con, neo-lib, GAE talking points about how we need to stand up for Ukraine. Tucker is one of the only guys with a big platform willing to tell the truth about the war and the huge role that the West has played in causing it.
No, quite the opposite. It shows Carlson as a calculating talking head with public and private opinions at best, quite fitting with his earlier leaked comments on Trump being quite different from his public positions. Somehow, in spite of the covid related messes, intensifying rainbow propaganda, migration crisis and so on, the thing worth American nationalist's time and attention is supposed to be... America actually getting something done in regard to the on and off hostility with Russia, with the twist that this is a bad thing, standing with the ideological "muh western colonialism" leftists on that topic? Come on, this is ridiculous.
This is leftist entryism and it has to be denounced.
What next, gonna start excusing Iran, North Korea and ISIL too to own the libs because the libs aren't capitulating to them as much as the far left wants them, so that some smartass can go "haha enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

The reality is that whole Ukraine debacle has microscopic effect on USA's domestic situation no matter which way it goes (hence trying to argue it helps your country is clearly falling for a distraction, and a ridiculous one at that), and on the international arena, well, nothing new - Russia was considered a country more or less antagonistic to USA since decades by all parties, and for a good reason.
 

49ersfootball

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This is very important to remember.

We are being sacrificed, our children are being sacrificed literally and metaphorically. The GAE and its literal. Big gay banker buddies want Americans poor and weak and psyopped so they had their puppets in Kiev and Moscow start a war to further destroy us weaken the world on behalf of their own masters in Beijing and Davos.

There is no nation in Eastern Europe that is a legitimate nation. All those countries are analogous to Central African nations in the 1970s and West African nations in the 1990s and early 2000's and to what the US in danger of becoming.


They are hopelessly corrupt, they hate each other and periodically erupt in ethnic bitchfits on par with Rwanda.

They are all enemies of our domestic interests, they are the alien, they are the distant foreign other.

Fuck them all, let them all burn.

And thank God people like Tucker are turning American popular opinion away from The Ukraine and back to isolationist tendencies.

The world has forsaken us, the world has sucked our blood and treasure almost bone dry.

We don't owe them anything and we have been cleaning up European messes since the fucking 1700s.

Enough is enough

Let them all blow themselves up.

Not a single individual matters from a geopolitical perspective unless that individual is American.

The world owes us and until they pay up everyone outside our borders can get fucked.
Back to the topic of Fox News & Fox Business Network: Wonder who's next on the chopping block ?
1.) Lisa Kennedy Montgomery's show "Kennedy" cancelled recently.
2.) Gerry Baker's "Wall Street Journal with Gerry Baker" off the air abruptly
3.) Gut feeling someone's getting the boot over there soon.
 

Terthna

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No, I can distinguish between bad actors who are deliberately taking what Russia says at face value because they support Russia (Agent23/Animal Noodles/Col. MacGregor), people who are suspicious of the western media/gov, and have left themselves ignorant of facts on the ground due to said suspicions, because of past actions of media/gov, but aren't openly pro-Russia (you, Roci, Rand Paul, RFK Jr.), and people who are politically unwilling to aid Ukraine enough to achieve victory, for what amounts to penny-pinching reasons (Ben Shapiro, the Mises Caucus).

You want to attack me for actually standing up for what I believe is the truth and being willing to clap back at 'friends', and for calling out your own deliberate ignorance on the matter for months.

Because that's all 'friends' here have done when I dare to say 'no, you're wrong, and here's why' in regards to Ukraine; act like they can just dismiss what I say and just listen to people like Tucker without wanting to look deeper into things that are going on or why.
So anyone who disagrees with you is either a malicious actor, willfully ignorant, or a skinflint; anything to discredit their conclusions as illegitimate out of hand, without having to confront the possibility that you might simply be wrong about something. Nice to know where I stand with you I guess, 'friend'.
 

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So anyone who disagrees with you is either a malicious actor, willfully ignorant, or a skinflint; anything to discredit their conclusions as illegitimate out of hand, without having to confront the possibility that you might simply be wrong about something. Nice to know where I stand with you I guess, 'friend'.
I tried repeatedly to inform people, to explain why things were happening and what was Russian BS and what wasn't, and I have never been afraid to admit when I'm wrong, if it can be proven to me I am wrong.

I was wrong about the exercises being a bluff and not invasion prep during early 2022, and I admitted that a long time ago.

It is not about 'discrediting their conclusions as illegit out of hand' with anyone except people who are openly cheering on Russia, and I have tried and tried and tried to educate people here, and I'm not the only one (Marduk, Taimat, etc).

Yet I am the only one who has people hold their 'friendship' with me over me for daring to say they got something wrong about Ukraine, or were listening to bad sources.

I can provide a multitude of sources for things, and I have done so since the invasion began in full, and most of the time people like you just do not care to hear what I say or present, instead falling back to 'you should put my friendship above saying what you think is true' tactics on multiple people's parts, multiple times.

I would rather have a 1000 honest enemies than one more false friend trying to manipulate me to say shit, or not say shit, just to please them.
 

Terthna

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I tried repeatedly to inform people, to explain why things were happening and what was Russian BS and what wasn't, and I have never been afraid to admit when I'm wrong, if it can be proven to me I am wrong.

I was wrong about the exercises being a bluff and not invasion prep during early 2022, and I admitted that a long time ago.

It is not about 'discrediting their conclusions as illegit out of hand' with anyone except people who are openly cheering on Russia, and I have tried and tried and tried to educate people here, and I'm not the only one (Marduk, Taimat, etc).

Yet I am the only one who has people hold their 'friendship' with me over me for daring to say they got something wrong about Ukraine, or were listening to bad sources.

I can provide a multitude of sources for things, and I have done so since the invasion began in full, and most of the time people like you just do not care to hear what I say or present, instead falling back to 'you should put my friendship above saying what you think is true' tactics on multiple people's parts, multiple times.

I would rather have a 1000 honest enemies than one more false friend trying to manipulate me to say shit, or not say shit, just to please them.
From the outside, it looks less like you're trying to inform people, and more like you're trying to berate, shame, and/or gaslight them into agreeing with you. Calling what you're doing "education" is nothing more than an attempt to assert that your position is inherently superior to those held by those who disagree with you, because if you're "educating" people then obviously you're right and they're wrong; it's a common tactic the regressive left uses with subjects like gun control, racism, and gender identity.

For what it's worth, I don't really give a crap on a personal level what your position is on Ukraine; I just think you're being a jackass lashing out and making enemies unnecessarily. Drop the persecution complex, and learn to agree to disagree. Sometimes you're just wrong, or they're wrong, or everyone is wrong.
 

shangrila

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Hmm, hopefully on topic, relating to rumors that Ukraine had a hand in Tucker getting fired from Fox:

New Twitter Files showing Ukraine had been in conjunction with the FBI, trying to get Twitter, and presumably other media entities to ban American and Canadian journalists that don't toe the line on Ukraine.
 

Marduk

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Hmm, hopefully on topic, relating to rumors that Ukraine had a hand in Tucker getting fired from Fox:

New Twitter Files showing Ukraine had been in conjunction with the FBI, trying to get Twitter, and presumably other media entities to ban American and Canadian journalists that don't toe the line on Ukraine.

Aaron Maté is a Canadian writer and journalist.[2][3] He hosts the show Pushback with Aaron Maté on The Grayzone[2] and, as of January 2022, he fills in as a host on the Useful Idiots podcast.[4] Maté has worked as a reporter and producer for Democracy Now!, Vice, The Real News Network, and Al Jazeera.[5]

Presently, Maté works as a reporter for The Grayzone, a far-left news website and blog[6][7] which publishes supportive coverage of the Russian,[6] Syrian,[6] and Chinese governments,[8] including denial of Uyghur genocide.[6][8] In addition to his work for The Grayzone, Maté has also contributed to The Nation, and appeared several times on Fox News on Tucker Carlson Tonight.[9][10][11]
Based, Twitter censors leftists for a change.
 

49ersfootball

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Keep comments on topic about Tucker. This isn't one of the many Ukraine threads. Tucker's opinions about Ukraine and maybe a quick talk about those opinions are right or wrong? On topic. Generic Ukraine talk? Off topic.
Tucker is an uppity JACKASS!

I thought this was also about the inside turmoil inside Fox News & Fox Business Network ?

If not, I'll begin a discussion thread on it.


From the words of United States Senator Kyrsten Sinema (I-AZ) & with all due respect: FUCK OFF!
 

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Jesse Watters will be replacing Tucker Carlson in his old timeslot.

Fox News said:
Jesse Watters will move to 8PM/ET with his signature opinion program Jesse Watters Primetime. The show originally launched last year in the 7 PM/ET timeslot and earned the title of the fastest growing cable news program, crushing the competition across the board with 2.6 million viewers and 270,000 in the 25-54 demo year to date. Featuring Watters' fresh take on the major headlines of the day while interviewing newsmakers from across the country, the show has been number one in its timeslot for the 18 months since it launched, delivering the highest-rated 7 PM/ET hour in cable news history. In addition to hosting Primetime, Watters is also a co-host of The Five, the 5 PM/ET roundtable discussion program that has been number one in cable news and all of cable for the last seven consecutive quarters.

Probably best option Fox practically had to be honest.


 

TheRejectionist

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@Abhorsen hopefully this is NOT off topic, but he does talk about Biden and Ukraine.



Jesse Watters will be replacing Tucker Carlson in his old timeslot.



Probably best option Fox practically had to be honest.



As a non-American, I have seen more times Tucker on my YT recommendation feed than Walters, or any other FOX members for that matter.

Murdoch did shoot himself in the foot out of spite, though I think also the Dominion debacle was a lot.
 

ShieldWife

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Jesse Watters is an imbecile and no substitute for Tucker Carlson. I watched some of his most recent show and it was about Kamala Harris being unlikeable and how Democrats are descended from slave owners. Completely vacuous crap.
 

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