Tucker Carlson Leaving Fox News

[mrttao]

Fact Check: Putin defends Hitler's invasion of Poland in Carlson interview

Vladimir Putin was said to have told Tucker Carlson that Hitler was "forced" to invade Poland in 1939.

www.newsweek.com

Turns out not only DNC has a problem with an old man (or men?) in leadership position and shortage of mental agility needed for that position.

This is out of context. Putin said that

1. Poland was hitler's ally. and hitler gave them land from another country he conquered, with a deal where he gets a certain strategic piece of land he needed. they happily took the deal but then backstabbed him out of greed. This forced his hand into attacking them

2. He argues repeatedly that nazies and hitler are russia's enemy whose goal is to genocide the russian people.

Disclaimer: I am not agreeing with Putin. just pointing out what he was actually saying

 

[Marduk]

This is out of context. Putin said that

1. Poland was hitler's ally. and hitler gave them land from another country he conquered, with a deal where he gets a certain strategic piece of land he needed. they happily took the deal but then backstabbed him out of greed. This forced his hand into attacking them

If that's what he's saying then it's even more straight bullshit. Hitler didn't *give* Zalolzie to Poland in any sense of the term.

2. He argues repeatedly that nazies and hitler are russia's enemy whose goal is to genocide the russian people.

Yes, which has a slightly wider implication with point 1, in a way allying Poland with Hitler.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I have heard the same but I can also understand why he was switched out.

Sometimes a general like the new guy, who had the very successful Kharkiv offensive, is needed when the other has not gotten where you needed him.

Ridgeway replacing MacArthur.

He was put into place precisely because he isnt popular, and hence isnt a threat to Zelensky.

 

[Zachowon]

He was put into place precisely because he isnt popular, and hence isnt a threat to Zelensky.

Not from what I can gather.
Zulushny was not getting any more gains amd it was time to switch out

 

[mrttao]

If that's what he's saying then it's even more straight bullshit. Hitler didn't *give* Zalolzie to Poland in any sense of the term.

which is why I put my disclaimer of not agreeing with him.

 

[Husky_Khan]

It's on Rumble now.



And on YouTube.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

I am overall not happy with the interview; it told us nothing we didn't already know with only a few memes to show for it and in exchange for giving the Dems an easy way to pronounce us as being bought by the Kremlin, maybe a few are but the rest of us will undoubtedly be framed as such because of this regardless.

The only way Carlson can salvage this is at least to attempt to get an interview with Zelensky so he can claim he just trying to 'discern the truth' or is being impartial which could salvage the situation.

Other than that, there wasn't any positive.

 

[Marduk]

I am overall not happy with the interview; it told us nothing we didn't already know with only a few memes to show for it and in exchange for giving the Dems an easy way to pronounce us as being bought by the Kremlin, maybe a few are but the rest of us will undoubtedly be framed as such because of this regardless.

That stuff is not news. That is, Carlson's Russia simping hobby. It's consistent, long running, and no secret.
The good news is that Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson are not the same person.

Fox News' Tucker Carlson says US ‘should take the side of Russia’ in Ukraine conflict

TV host doubles down on support for Putin after ‘joking’ about ‘rooting for Russia’ last week

www.independent.co.uk

Mr Carlson said the US should "probably take the side of Russia" in a dispute between Mr Putin's country and Ukraine, even though Ukraine is a US ally.


On Monday night, Republican congressman Jim Jordan denied suggestions that Donald Trump is helping Russia by pointing out that the Trump administration has placed sanctions on the country.


However, the Fox News presenter quickly replied that he "totally opposed" those sanctions.

"I should say for the record, I'm totally opposed to these sanctions and I don't think we should be at war with Russia… I think we should probably take the side of Russia, uh, if we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine," he said.

That's from friggin 2019, before all sorts of drama and political changes happened...

The only way Carlson can salvage this is at least to attempt to get an interview with Zelensky so he can claim he just trying to 'discern the truth' or is being impartial which could salvage the situation.

Other than that, there wasn't any positive.

Judging by the above, it would be very hard for him to play neutral on the Russia-Ukraine conflict by now, and that is if he was interested in doing that to begin with, which i don't think he is.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I am overall not happy with the interview; it told us nothing we didn't already know with only a few memes to show for it and in exchange for giving the Dems an easy way to pronounce us as being bought by the Kremlin, maybe a few are but the rest of us will undoubtedly be framed as such because of this regardless.

The only way Carlson can salvage this is at least to attempt to get an interview with Zelensky so he can claim he just trying to 'discern the truth' or is being impartial which could salvage the situation.

Other than that, there wasn't any positive.

That stuff is not news. That is, Carlson's Russia simping hobby. It's consistent, long running, and no secret.
The good news is that Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson are not the same person.

Fox News' Tucker Carlson says US ‘should take the side of Russia’ in Ukraine conflict

TV host doubles down on support for Putin after ‘joking’ about ‘rooting for Russia’ last week

www.independent.co.uk

That's from friggin 2019, before all sorts of drama and political changes happened...

Judging by the above, it would be very hard for him to play neutral on the Russia-Ukraine conflict by now, and that is if he was interested in doing that to begin with, which i don't think he is.

And put tucker down as yet another example of "the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend.

 

[Cherico]

It does.
Because not treating either as an enemy allows them to pull what they pulled in Oklahoma.
Allows then to basically infiltrate the countryband make things like thier own.

But hey, American rules can change, Chinese and Russians wont

Russia I don't know.

China? China is very clearly teetering on the edge of either collapse, civil war or both. They got so many issues hitting all at once and the leadership has sequestered all power into a singular person who killed the messenger so many times that now no one brings him information.

That's a recipie for collapse.

That said i think china will survive as a country the CCP not so much.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

In regards to the interview and Putin's...historical diarrhea, I think that was actually Putin filibustering his own interview. Killed a quarter of the interview with historical rambling to justify armed invasion. I mean, it kept down the question count and meant that many, MANY people turned off the interview before early.

I'm very certain that was intentional as well b/c of the document handover; it shows this was a purposeful choice.

 

[Zachowon]

Russia I don't know.

China? China is very clearly teetering on the edge of either collapse, civil war or both. They got so many issues hitting all at once and the leadership has sequestered all power into a singular person who killed the messenger so many times that now no one brings him information.

That's a recipie for collapse.

That said i think china will survive as a country the CCP not so much.

We can't gurantee China will fall should our domestic issues get worse

 

[Cherico]

We can't gurantee China will fall should our domestic issues get worse

China's issues are built into the cake same as our issues. Really their lucky this is all boiling up now because it means the west will be too busy with its own internal shit to get involved in their internal shit.

 

[mrttao]

It's on Rumble now.
[tuck interview of putin]

TLDR IIRC (its been 2 days since i saw it)

> Russian history since formation in 800
> Ukraine and Russia are the same people. Were were one and the same for over a thousand years as per history lesson earlier until the Lennin for some reason decided to artificially create a seperate identity for that territory.
> We allowed them to leave at the end of USSR because we viewed each other as kin. And saw no reason to fight. If they want to stick to that artificially created identity then fine. It was also symbolic to break up the USSR.
> We were close allies. Until CIA backed terrorists and nazies took over the ukraine govt in 2014 in a coup. And started the process towards joining NATO
> Explicitly says the conflict is a russian civil war.
> There have been 5 waves of nato expansion towards russia. we backed off each time. but USA kept pushing and pushing
> We wanted to join NATO and were rebuffed
> We wanted to join in missile defense. make it an everyone thing as an end to ICBMs for all. were rebuffed. so instead we developed missiles to overcome the missile defense.
> 2 USA presidents were unaware of what their own govt was doing. And at first agreed with me that they need to back off. But then later came back and told me they can't do anything. meaning they were overruled by their own cabinet.
> We want to denazify ukraine. Ukraine president brought forth a literal nazi to canada parliment as a "hero who fought russians" and the candian parliament all cheered him. The nazies wanted to genocide russians, jews, etc, and need to be stamped out.
> We actually had a treaty with ukraine, signed by their top negotiator. But before it could be ratified they tossed it all away because, according to their own public statement still available online, the british prime minister convinced them not to, that they will win.
> We would be happy to negotiate, the war is ongoing because it is the other side that is adamant about never negotiating with russia.

 

[edgeworthy]

I liked the interview, lots of exploitable Putin chuckles through it.

So where are you on his Nazi Apologism?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

So where are you on his Nazi Apologism?

I wasn't aware Putin liked Nazis?

 

[Poe]

Not from what I can gather.
Zulushny was not getting any more gains amd it was time to switch out

According to Michael Kofman, an American military analyst of Ukrainian birth who is very pro-west and very pro-Ukraine, it was political as Zaluzhny was considered a likely challenger of Zelenskys in a future election and he's very popular in the armed forces and among the population in general. He and a few of his colleagues I've seen him interview, claim that the last counter offensive saw Zelensky take way to large of a role in directing it and this caused its aims to be unrealistic and its outcome to be a total failure.

So where are you on his Nazi Apologism?

There was none, you probably didn't watch it and are repeating something you've heard others say. He did nothing but give an interpretation of the start of world war 2 and spend the last 30 minutes talking about how the west is pro-Nazi. So sounds pretty funny to hear two sides calling each other nazis, especially when his example has the canadian parliament applauding actual nazi collaborators.

If that's what he's saying then it's even more straight bullshit. Hitler didn't *give* Zalolzie to Poland in any sense of the term.

You can disagree only with the word "gave" here, Poland was part of chopping up Czechoslovakia due to the same agreement that Germany was. Calling him an apologist for pointing this out is rich

 

[Zachowon]

According to Michael Kofman, an American military analyst of Ukrainian birth who is very pro-west and very pro-Ukraine, it was political as Zaluzhny was considered a likely challenger of Zelenskys in a future election and he's very popular in the armed forces and among the population in general. He and a few of his colleagues I've seen him interview, claim that the last counter offensive saw Zelensky take way to large of a role in directing it and this caused its aims to be unrealistic and its outcome to be a total failure.

There was none, you probably didn't watch it and are repeating something you've heard others say. He did nothing but give an interpretation of the start of world war 2 and spend the last 30 minutes talking about how the west is pro-Nazi. So sounds pretty funny to hear two sides calling each other nazis, especially when his example has the canadian parliament applauding actual nazi collaborators.

You can disagree only with the word "gave" here, Poland was part of chopping up Czechoslovakia due to the same agreement that Germany was. Calling him an apologist for pointing this out is rich

I have yet to hear that but thanks for that.
We will have to see how it goes now.

Again seems like a MacArthur replaced by Ridgeway kinda situation

 

[Rocinante]

So where are you on his Nazi Apologism?

Like the parts where he says all he really wants out of the Ukraine issue is de‐nazi‐fication?

you just proved you didn't watch it lol. Find me this Nazi apologism. Because there's one piece floating around the internet about how he feels WW2 started, and it's complete bullshit that takes it out of context, because he is condemning naziism the entire time.

 

[Marduk]

You can disagree only with the word "gave" here, Poland was part of chopping up Czechoslovakia due to the same agreement that Germany was. Calling him an apologist for pointing this out is rich

Which is another way to also phrase it in a blatantly deceptive way that in the context is an open way to grind a political axe. It's like saying "Americans invaded Normandy for the same reason Hitler did".

A neutral way to say this would be "Poland opportunistically took its own old territorial claim after Munich was signed with the logic that now that Czechoslovakia is pretty much doomed, in the end it will be them or Hitler taking it and neither Czechoslovakia nor Hitler felt like it was a good moment to contest this". But trying to word this in a way implying that Poland was a party in Munich Agreement alongside Axis powers and in turn their ally, when in fact it wasn't the case, is plain historical revisionism, and with the rest of Putin's comments we know he was in fact trying to somehow bullshit Poland into being an ally to Axis. Though this specific piece of revisionism is less Hitler apologia (another may deserve that title), and more Stalinist historiography recycling, because the line Putin presented in such claims is oddly similar to it.

Munich Agreement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Historians such as H.L. Roberts[81] and Anna Cienciala[82] have characterised Beck's actions during the crisis as unfriendly to Czechoslovakia, but not actively seeking its destruction. Whilst Stalin-era Polish historiography typically followed the line that Beck had been a "German Agent" and had collaborated with Germany, post-1956 historiography has generally rejected this characterisation.[83]