United States 2021 VA, NJ & MD Statewide Thread

[Captain X]

I don't really approve of the death penalty myself, largely because I don't trust the government, and because I've seen plenty of examples of miscarriages of justice. If it is used at all, it should be for only the most extreme examples, where there is no doubt of guilt, and the continued existence of the person is a legit threat to society (I'm thinking of serial killers like Ted Bundy).

 

[LordsFire]

I don't really approve of the death penalty myself, largely because I don't trust the government, and because I've seen plenty of examples of miscarriages of justice. If it is used at all, it should be for only the most extreme examples, where there is no doubt of guilt, and the continued existence of the person is a legit threat to society (I'm thinking of serial killers like Ted Bundy).

I believe in the death penalty, but in this modern society with great wealth, I believe we can also afford for an even higher standard of evidentiary proof to be required in order for the death penalty to be issued.

If someone walks up to someone else in public and guns them down, with dozens of witnesses and recordings, that sort of thing should be viable for earning the death penalty.

 

[Airedale260]

I don't really approve of the death penalty myself, largely because I don't trust the government, and because I've seen plenty of examples of miscarriages of justice. If it is used at all, it should be for only the most extreme examples, where there is no doubt of guilt, and the continued existence of the person is a legit threat to society (I'm thinking of serial killers like Ted Bundy).

Eh. I would say Mumia Abu Jamal fits the criteria for “Should have been executed” but appellate courts fucked that up. This despite the fact that he bragged about executing a cop at full volume in a hospital emergency room…

Instead he gets to sit in a cell and wax indignant about this that or the other thing and being a “victim of injustice” when the only injustice is that the motherfucker is still breathing.

 

[Tiamat]

Good Morning Sietch family. Looks like criminal justice advocates, voting rights advocates & VA Dems are scared of the potential prospects of the death penalty being reinstated in the Old Dominion.

Again, my only response: GOOD.

 

[49ersfootball]

Again, my only response: GOOD.

Big question is whether the VA GOP dismantles voting rights initiatives by going back to white supremacy ?

 

[LordsFire]

Big question is whether the VA GOP dismantles voting rights initiatives by going back to white supremacy ?

It'd be hard for the VA GOP to 'go back' to a position it never held.

Or did you mean the VA Democrat party?

 

[Tiamat]

Big question is whether the VA GOP dismantles voting rights initiatives by going back to white supremacy ?

Is that a rhetorical question or are you actually serious?

 

[49ersfootball]

Is that a rhetorical question or are you actually serious?

Rhetorical question because my cousin is scared that she thinks the VA GOP will drag VA back into the 1950s.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Rhetorical question because my cousin is scared that she thinks the VA GOP will drag VA back into the 1950s.

Man, that would suck if they had to go back to a time when the economy grew 37% in 10 years, unemployment was down to 4.5%, the median family's purchasing power increased by 30% over a decade, and a single income man with only a high school diploma could typically own a home and support a wife and several kids off his earnings.

 

[49ersfootball]

Man, that would suck if they had to go back to a time when the economy grew 37% in 10 years, unemployment was down to 4.5%, the median family's purchasing power increased by 30% over a decade, and a single income man with only a high school diploma could typically own a home and support a wife and several kids off his earnings.

She's also referring to the progressive policies pushed by the then-Dem controlled VA General Assembly in 2020 getting dismantled altogether.

Including funding for women-owned & minority-owned small businesses & entrepreneurships.

 

[Bear Ribs]

She's also referring to the progressive policies pushed by the then-Dem controlled VA General Assembly in 2020 getting dismantled altogether.

Including funding for women-owned & minority-owned small businesses & entrepreneurships.

So the way things were when the economy was in shambles and not the way things were in the 50s when the economy was great, in other words?

 

[LordsFire]

Rhetorical question because my cousin is scared that she thinks the VA GOP will drag VA back into the 1950s.

...Is she not aware of what the racial politics of the GOP vs the Dems in the 50's were like?

 

[Bacle]

 

[S'task]

Ahh yes. The illustrious ACLU. They've never been on the side of parental choice, so no big surprise. They've also always been for forcing Anti-religious sentiments into public schools too, over the objections of local parents and schools. So no big surprise they're once again being evil here.

 

[49ersfootball]

Ahh yes. The illustrious ACLU. They've never been on the side of parental choice, so no big surprise. They've also always been for forcing Anti-religious sentiments into public schools too, over the objections of local parents and schools. So no big surprise they're once again being evil here.

Speaking of parental choice, I saw the Montgomery County School Board chairwoman got called out by one angry parent, who blasted her for not wearing a mask when the parent showed pictures from Facebook.

 

[49ersfootball]

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[Tiamat]

Ahh yes. The illustrious ACLU. They've never been on the side of parental choice, so no big surprise. They've also always been for forcing Anti-religious sentiments into public schools too, over the objections of local parents and schools. So no big surprise they're once again being evil here.

The ACLU used to pride itself on representing “civil liberties”. That was a while ago though. Now, they’re more analogous to mercenaries, except with pressed suits and briefcases instead of “battle rattle”.

 

[WolfBear]

I don't really approve of the death penalty myself, largely because I don't trust the government, and because I've seen plenty of examples of miscarriages of justice. If it is used at all, it should be for only the most extreme examples, where there is no doubt of guilt, and the continued existence of the person is a legit threat to society (I'm thinking of serial killers like Ted Bundy).

Cameron Todd Willingham is one notorious case of a very likely innocent man getting wrongly convincted and then executed, with that jackass Rick Perry subsequently trying to cover the trail of his incompetence:

Opinion: Cameron Todd Willingham's ghost won't stop haunting Rick Perry

Rick Perry’s Cameron Todd Willingham problem won’t go away. In fact, it got worse this week.

www.latimes.com

A Cover-Up in Texas? - Innocence Project

innocenceproject.org

 

[WolfBear]

The ACLU used to pride itself on representing “civil liberties”. That was a while ago though. Now, they’re more analogous to mercenaries, except with pressed suits and briefcases instead of “battle rattle”.

Nowadays the ACLU cares more about protecting designated victim groups than about protecting freedom of speech:

Once a Bastion of Free Speech, the A.C.L.U. Faces an Identity Crisis (Published 2021)

An organization that has defended the First Amendment rights of Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan is split by an internal debate over whether supporting progressive causes is more important.

www.nytimes.com

The ACLU’s civil war over old values: Free speech only for the woke?

America’s high temple of free speech and civil liberties is becoming a political organization preaching left-wing ideology.

thehill.com

How the ACLU got woke, became political, and changed its mission

I've written before about the newish movie "Mighty Ira", a documentary about former American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) head Ira Glasser and his involvement in civil-liberties litigation in the 1970

whyevolutionistrue.com

Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed."

reason.com

'Woke' censorship: US free speech group sorry for removing ‘women’ from Ginsburg abortion quote

The ACLU rewrote the celebrated remark, so it read: ‘The decision whether or not to bear a child is central to a [person’s] life’

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Tiamat]

Nowadays the ACLU cares more about protecting designated victim groups than about protecting freedom of speech:

Once a Bastion of Free Speech, the A.C.L.U. Faces an Identity Crisis (Published 2021)

An organization that has defended the First Amendment rights of Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan is split by an internal debate over whether supporting progressive causes is more important.

www.nytimes.com

The ACLU’s civil war over old values: Free speech only for the woke?

America’s high temple of free speech and civil liberties is becoming a political organization preaching left-wing ideology.

thehill.com

How the ACLU got woke, became political, and changed its mission

I've written before about the newish movie "Mighty Ira", a documentary about former American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) head Ira Glasser and his involvement in civil-liberties litigation in the 1970

whyevolutionistrue.com

Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed."

reason.com

'Woke' censorship: US free speech group sorry for removing ‘women’ from Ginsburg abortion quote

The ACLU rewrote the celebrated remark, so it read: ‘The decision whether or not to bear a child is central to a [person’s] life’

www.telegraph.co.uk

As I said, whether or not you agreed with them in the past, it's sad and pathetic what they've become now.

The "woke" interests just happen to pay them better, IMO, so hence "mercenaries with briefcases."