Vyor
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United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I shake my head at that but they have spoken and shall only accept the sandwich they get for it.
Planchar
Professional Propofol Pusher
You also forget that 2020 was mired in the specter of COVID and BLM. It is undeniable that Trump flubbed both of those issues. Without COVID Trump would have been easily re-elected.
I know I'm trying to teach an old seadog new tricks, however I think maybe I can get through to you if I lay it out plainly enough.
You may not like their politics, but Libertarian votes and those of independents do matter in close races, and candidate quality does matter as much as party affiliation.
And whether parts of the right like it or not, the media lies and spin about Trump have been effective, and Trump has also shoot himself and his supporters in the feet too many times to trust him with power again.
Look, I have supported Trump a lot further and harder than many in the center have, and I have tried for fucking years to try to get people in the GOP to fucking wake up and stop huffing their own farts when it came to who was good in a primary versus who was good in a general election. I have tried to impresses upon people that the GOP has an image problem it ignores because addressing it means admitting PR works.
It is the candidates and parties that must show they are worthy of voting for, and the candidates/parties must take into consideration the electorate they have, not the electorate they wish they had.
Ironically after this last election, I do trust our election systems again, because Libs and Inds spoiling/deciding close races is a long known and documented fact of American politics the GOP likes to ignore or just grumble about, till it slaps them in the face.
Biden's stupidity might be turning NY red, and the Dems lost Maimi-Date.
What bigger 'fuck you' could a rebuilt GOP deliver the Dems in 2024 than turning NY red in the electoral college, even if Biden gets 4 more years anyway. And with 2 more years of Biden not changing course, well, the Dems are going to own most everything that goes bad till 2024.
This is not the result the Right wanted, but it is not a complete disaster. Pelosi off the House gavel and Abram's losing is good, Dems losing Staten Island and other districts around NYC is very bad for the Dems future prospects. The GOP needs to course correct before the Dems pull thier heads out of their ass's, and try to figure out someon besides Trump or DeSantis for 2024. DeSantis is good for 2028, in 2024 destroying the Dems in the Senate and House is more important than unseating the dementia-in-chief; let the Dem own Biden's fuck up's, while the GOP come out as hero's for doing effective damage control.
Trump gets a pass for Covid because one it was released from a Chinese Lab in November of 2019 and had already spread around the world before the first cases got media attention stateside. As to BLM he was hampered by the Constitution. Riot in cities are by definition a State Issue until it threatens Federal Assets. And the Media was throwing out a ton of spin to cover BLM. I mean we had buildings literally burning in one city with a reporter talking about a peaceful protest. If people buy that bs you can't reach them. No matter what you do.
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KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
Honestly this race proved to me that our society is too divided and that democracy (representative or otherwise) just does not work. I'm not going to go blackpilled per se as I do think society will bounce back eventually even if it has to rebirth like a Phoenix but congratulations monarchist you've won me over.
246 years old with only one civil war which happened 157 years ago.
As countries go that's actually a pretty good record.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
Yep we had a good run and honestly I think as long as we keep the bill of rights as a foundation, America in spirit will survive. Here is just hoping that whatever kind of leader rises up is actually held to the constitution next time.
Trump passed out money like Zimbabwe during covid, directly enabling lockdowns. No, he is most definitely at fault for the lockdowns, along with the early lying from the CDC and FDA that happened under his administration.
As for the regular people, again, you can't afford to tell them to fuck off, because then you are doomed to lose. Or more accurately, you can afford to, it'll only cost you 4 more years of Biden.
Trump was a massive spender who also believed in taking guns first and due process layer.
I only voted Trump and will in the future, because I view him as better than the alternative.
It's weird how republicans hate big spending, but overlook Trump handing out billions-trillions, and overseeing one of the biggest wealth transfers from the Middle class to the upper class in history.
Note it was actually from the poor to the middle class (specifically those with a mortgage), but yeah, it was shitty.
Inflation comes down like a truck on the poor who depend on wages (which are sticky) or other fixed income, and tend to keep savings they have in cash (either at home or in the bank) as a rainy day fund. Meanwhile, the people who are in the most debt (middle class, oddly enough, because a house is a debt purchased asset) make off like bandits. The very wealthy aren't too affected generally as their income is not fixed (they tend to be independent contractors/short term employees, or own a company, or invest a ton) and a mortgage isn't a huge percentage of their savings either.
DarthOne
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I see little to no difference between Brian Kemp 2024 and Ron DeSantis 2024.
Both will be beholden to the GOP donor class and would govern identically at the national level.
It should be noted I stood against Trump for the massive spending bill. And while he was initially about Gun control he later reversed course on it. I'll be honest. Not a fan of him going after Ron DeSantis and Candice Owens. But I'm wondering what's going on behind the scenes we aren't seeing yet.
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Kemp openly backstabbed Trump where as DeSantis supported him. I'm a big fan of watching what our leaders do rather than what they say.
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Ixian
Well-known member
As previously pointed out, that isn't just a democrat thing.
Dead Republican candidate wins seat in North Dakota after losing battle with COVID-19
A North Dakota man won a seat in the state legislature Tuesday night nearly a month after he died from COVID-19.www.google.com
I guess candidate quality isn't that important to republican voters either?
Haha, I forgot about that. Fair point.
That being said, why are we putting dead people on ballots? Unless they were write-ins?
Bear Ribs
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The ballot can't be changed after it's written up with all candidates who qualified, and this is typically done around mid-September. Both of the elected dead candidates died in the narrow window between when the ballot was made and the election happened.
gral
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Who fills their places? The losing competitor or someone else?
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
Most states hold a Special Election, which is typically the same process they'd use if the candidate died right after the election instead.
