Alec Baldwin shoots 2 on set of western, 1 dead

ShadowArxxy

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As well, wasn't she one of the one who left due to the Union strike, thus wouldn't even have been on set when this happened, and the guns were handled by non-union replacements in the lead up to the incident.

No, she wasn't. The walkoff was the camera crew.
 

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No, she wasn't. The walkoff was the camera crew.
Really...I'd heard multiple reports she walked off with/in-support of the camera crew that day, and the later part of the filming that day was done with an impromptu crew and armour. The whole union action angle has led to a lot of confusion as to who was and was not on set that day.

This is why the courts need to sort this shit out, because it is very hard to get reliable info on what happened that day from anyone but the SFPD.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Really...I'd heard multiple reports she walked off with/in-support of the camera crew that day, and the later part of the filming that day was done with an impromptu crew and armour. The whole union action angle has led to a lot of confusion as to who was and was not on set that day.

Yes, I saw those reports too, but the most reliable statements are citing interviews and affidavits that were made to the police. It's not absolutely airtight since the actual interviews and affidavits aren't being made available to the public, but more so than the earlier claims all over the place.

Incidentally, Halls is now claiming through his attorney that it's not his fault even though he was the one who inspected the gun and falsely declared it "cold", because it wasn't officially his responsibility.
 

stephen the barbarian

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i do not have confirmation att, but there a rumor running around that scenes being filmed that day where for the climatic gunfight.
if true, it provides context on the matter.
 

Vaermina

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Incidentally, Halls is now claiming through his attorney that it's not his fault even though he was the one who inspected the gun and falsely declared it "cold", because it wasn't officially his responsibility.
That's not going to fly in court...

Because even if it wasn't "officially" his responsibility he took that responsibility on when he declared it "cold".
 

ShadowArxxy

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That's not going to fly in court...

Because even if it wasn't "officially" his responsibility he took that responsibility on when he declared it "cold".

According to Halls' own affidavit, the armorer opened the gun for him to inspect just before the fatal shooting, and this was normal procedure on the set. Such two-person inspection is in keeping with industry norms for safe operation, and indicates that Halls was indeed working as an assistant armorer as well as assistant director. So his claim that it wasn't his responsibility is complete and total bullshit from the get-go.

The article I found about it does not link the actual affidavit, but did explicitly quote this: "He advised he should have checked all of them, but didn’t, and couldn’t recall if she spun the drum.” It also states that he claims he only remembers seeing three rounds during the pre-shot inspection; when the armorer opened the gun again after the shooting, he saw “at least four dummy casings with the holes on the side, and one without the hole. He advised this did not have the cap on it and was just the casing.”

Here's the thing: it was a cowboy movie, so it's nearly guaranteed that the revolver in question was a Colt Single-Action Army. With the loading gate design of that firearm, you only ever see one round at a time; therefore if he saw three rounds, the armorer absolutely did rotate the cylinder and his "can't remember" implication that she was doing a sloppy job is probably an attempt to cast blame on her without quite perjuring himself.
 

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Alec Baldwin hired an ex-District Attorney to defend himself from lawsuits... though these lawsuits don't seem to be from the direct victims of the shooting.

New York Post said:
News of the hiring comes after Mamie Mitchell, the script supervisor who called 911 after Baldwin accidentally fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza on the set Oct. 21, filed a lawsuit against the actor.

Mitchell, who is represented by lawyer Gloria Allred, is suing for an unspecified amount for loss of future earnings, special and general damages, attorneys’ fees and punitive damages, according to the lawsuit filed in LA Superior Court.

So the person who made the 911 call is apparently looking for a juicy severance package from Hollywood and hired famous civil rights ambulance chaser Gloria Allred to represent her.

And there's a lawsuit coming in from a lighting technician who claims to have suffered emotional distress and filed a lawsuit for damages regarding that.

New York Post said:
The film’s gaffer, Serge Svetnoy, also is suing Baldwin, the film’s armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, assistant director Dave Halls and others for negligence, claiming he suffered emotional distress after nearly being hit by the bullet from the revolver.

Alec Baldwin has been seen looking disheveled in public since the fatal “Rust” shooting.SplashNews.com
Halyna Hutchins’ husband, Matthew Hutchins, has hired a lawyer but a lawsuit has not been filed yet on his behalf.Instagram
The lighting technician, who is represented by Gary Dordick, claims the 63-year-old actor should have checked the gun before pulling the prop pistol’s trigger near Santa Fe, New Mexico.

 

Terthna

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I didn't watch Baldwin's interview, but he apparently made a mistake in doing it; as what he said seems to have cast doubt as to whether the shooting was an accident, and not murder.
 

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lol, he claims that the shot woman told him to aim the gun at her and pull back the hammer. The revolver then magically went off on its own.

That fucker wanted to murder someone and refuses to admit any wrongdoing. Don't get fooled by his twitter push, he's just trying to turn public opinion in his favor.
 

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Not necessarily. You've heard the term "go off half-cocked," right? It could be it was a garbage pistol. Of course he still shouldn't have pulled that hammer or had his bugger hook anywhere near the trigger if they were just talking out the scene anyway. Didn't even need the gun for something like that, IMO, as he could have just used his hand. Of course whoever was supposed to have checked those guns before they grabbed them for the day bears some of the responsibility as well.
 

stephen the barbarian

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Not necessarily. You've heard the term "go off half-cocked," right? It could be it was a garbage pistol.
from the info we have i'm not seeing any evidence that the half cock notch wasn't working

Of course whoever was supposed to have checked those guns before they grabbed them for the day bears some of the responsibility as well.
oh, there will be hell to pay in the prop dept. but that's generally excepted, the question there is how bad will it be.
 

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Not necessarily. You've heard the term "go off half-cocked," right? It could be it was a garbage pistol. Of course he still shouldn't have pulled that hammer or had his bugger hook anywhere near the trigger if they were just talking out the scene anyway. Didn't even need the gun for something like that, IMO, as he could have just used his hand. Of course whoever was supposed to have checked those guns before they grabbed them for the day bears some of the responsibility as well.
See this I could buy as being what happened.

If Baldwin had the hammer strike back because of a iffy half-cock retainer, and never actually pulled the trigger, then this does change the level and spread of guilt for him and the props dept.

Because whoever left a live round in that gun and assured Baldwin it was cold has a massive part of the guilt.
 

Cherico

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well looking at the case lets deal with one thing we havent talked about Alec Baldwin is an infamous hot head, the guy has anger isssues and we all know it.
 

Bigking321

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I heard the gun wasn't part of the scene they were doing? Not sure if that's true though. Their is so much distortion and damage control going on I don't know what the reality is.
 

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Even CNN brought in a gun expert who was like "oh, Baldwin says it just went off for no reason? He's full of it.", so that excuse is getting zero traction.

Two main theories seem to be that either the gun was defective and the mechanism holding the hammer back failed, so when he cocked the gun the hammer dropped when he let go of it, or that he's lying/wrong and he did have his finger on the trigger and the trigger pull was light enough to disengage the hammer retainer.

Here's the thing: it was a cowboy movie, so it's nearly guaranteed that the revolver in question was a Colt Single-Action Army.

That's exactly what it was.
 

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