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BlackDragon98

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Banned - Politics
'Gustav Noske Becomes A Nazi'.
Very unlike to near impossible.
The closest to this is him being one of the conservatives who initially supported the Nazis against the KPD (he did bloodily suppress the communist uprisings after WW1) but later turned against them after realizing what they truly are.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Very unlike to near impossible.
The closest to this is him being one of the conservatives who initially supported the Nazis against the KPD (he did bloodily suppress the communist uprisings after WW1) but later turned against them after realizing what they truly are.

I was wondering about that, since there wasn't much about him voicing support for the NSDAP. Maybe we'd have to go further back and "nudge him" in a more extreme direction during his ideologically formative years, though the resulting butterfly effect would add further uncertainty to the equation.
 

History Learner

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Hitler listens to Raedar, and does the Mediterranean Strategy in 1941. Pressure the Turks into an accord, and then use them as a base from which to support Vichy Syria, the Iraqi uprising and to support Iran diplomatically in nationalizing the oil industry. Between that and the additional air resources to force Malta under and additional logistics to Rommel, the British position in the Middle East will collapse.

Coming back to this, having been doing some reading on Second Kharkov I really don't think a 1942 Barbarossa would go that bad for the Germans, particularly if Stalin is in early phases of preparing his own offensive in May/June of 1942. Soviet forces will be larger and better equipped, of course, but the lessons learned in 1941-1942 would not have been, with the VVS likely still under trained and staff officer worker among Red Army officers still poor. Between logistics, bad leadership, and inexperience combined on the Soviet side combined with the German advantage in both maneuver and air power, I'd imagine the Wehrmacht would succeed in their OTL 1941 goal of destroying the Pre-War Red Army in the first 300-500 km. That is, if Stalin has helpfully amassed it close to the borders in preparation for actions of his own. By the time the Soviet force structure could generate fresh forces, the Germans will have overrun vast sums of the USSR and the loss of the Pre-War cadres would cripple the training and leading of any fresh armies.
 

BlackDragon98

Freikorps Kommandant
Banned - Politics
I was wondering about that, since there wasn't much about him voicing support for the NSDAP. Maybe we'd have to go further back and "nudge him" in a more extreme direction during his ideologically formative years, though the resulting butterfly effect would add further uncertainty to the equation.
He won't be interested.
"He was known as a reformist, one of those in the SPD who wanted to achieve their political goals within the existing system, and as someone who was not much interested in fundamental theoretical debates."

Gustav Noske - Wikipedia
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
He won't be interested.
"He was known as a reformist, one of those in the SPD who wanted to achieve their political goals within the existing system, and as someone who was not much interested in fundamental theoretical debates."

Gustav Noske - Wikipedia

Perhaps that's for the best, then. Having a distinctively brutal enforcer become another one of Hitler's followers is the last thing the world needs. Even evil has standards, indeed.
 

ATP

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Orthodox Poland or Hungary under Byzantine influence.
Russia which choosen judaism or islam./Or rather only judaism - islam was rejected,when they discovered,that they could not drink/
 

ATP

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Orthodox Hungary is quite easy.
Poland - less so.

Indeed.Althought i once read small book with theory,that King Bolesław Śmiały kill bishop Stanisław and was condemned not becouse of his cruelty or political reasons,but becouse he planned made Poland orthodox.
Unfortunatelly,only proofs was that his mother and wife of his son was both russian princess.
 

Bassoe

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Let's explore another bit of AU: What would a world with a real life Wakanda, an African collection of tribes getting their hands on Vibranium, look like?
For that matter, how about a composite ethnonarcissists' 'ancient superciv' conspiracy theories TL where they all happen simultaneously and the 'toba supervolcano eruption' catastrophe was a three way nuclear war of mutually assured destruction between the NOI theology Hotep Kangdom, altright ayran atlantis and Chudinov's Slavic Empire?
 

ATP

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For that matter, how about a composite ethnonarcissists' 'ancient superciv' conspiracy theories TL where they all happen simultaneously and the 'toba supervolcano eruption' catastrophe was a three way nuclear war of mutually assured destruction between the NOI theology Hotep Kangdom, altright ayran atlantis and Chudinov's Slavic Empire?

Well,in Poland we have most stupid neopogans who belive that ancient polish empire/Lechia/ rules over most of Europe and part of Asia,defeated both Alexander the Great and Ceasar,and... vanished becouse of bad catholic,who also removed all prooffs of its existence.
Since entire story about fighting Alexander and Ceasar was wroten by catholic bishop Wincenty Kadłubek,it is rather funny.
 

Bassoe

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Well,in Poland we have most stupid neopogans who belive that ancient polish empire/Lechia/ rules over most of Europe and part of Asia,defeated both Alexander the Great and Ceasar,and... vanished becouse of bad catholic,who also removed all prooffs of its existence.
Since entire story about fighting Alexander and Ceasar was wroten by catholic bishop Wincenty Kadłubek,it is rather funny.
Yeah, the idea would be to take that, and the altright/neonazi ancient ayran empire and the Kangdom and have a timeline where they all simultaneously existed and fought to the death with fission bombs.
 

AndrewJTalon

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How about what if Alexander the Great didn't die in Babylon? But instead lived and conquered for another twenty years? Building a bigger Hellenistic Empire across North Africa, Italy and maybe Spain and France?
 

Buba

A total creep
How about what if Alexander the Great didn't die in Babylon? But instead lived and conquered for another twenty years? Building a bigger Hellenistic Empire across North Africa, Italy and maybe Spain and France?
He could had done all that, true. And then he'd die and the whole thing would collapse inside a generation or two. History is littered by flash in the pan empires.
Not sure if it would change things much. It could butterfly away Rome - or maybe not - or maybe some other Italic polity would rise to the fore.
Culturally OTL Rome was very Hellenised, and I believe Carthage as well (but here I could be wrong).
 

ATP

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How about what if Alexander the Great didn't die in Babylon? But instead lived and conquered for another twenty years? Building a bigger Hellenistic Empire across North Africa, Italy and maybe Spain and France?
If i remember correctly,he planned fought either Carthage or go for conqest of entire India.No matter who would be conqered,his empire,as @Buba said,would not last.
Only difference would be if he destroy Rome,becouse without Roman Empire our entire cyvilisation would be different.
 

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