Well...you beat me to it...mostly b/c I was seriously thinking about ignoring the 'noodles.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
...I just don't get you.
How do you think war works?
Like, actually, what is your foundational understanding for how war does and does not function?
Do you think 80's action flicks are accurate depictions? Do you think every Russian soldier is Rambo?
There are some posters who have a clear pro-Russian bias, most of whom eat up Russian propaganda completely thoughtlessly, but this...
How do you think urban combat is actually fought?
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
paulobrito
Well-known member
Funny, because a lot of cruise missiles that Russia launched are from heavy bombers...
Also, the MiG-31 and SU-57 killed several Ukr fighters using long-range AAMs.
Russia uses its air force in different ways, but they are very much alive and active.
Now, over the battlefield/front lines? That is/has one of the most dense/lethal IADS in the world? They lost several SU-25s and attack Helicopters, is comprehensible that the other planes are now avoiding that - until the SAM ammo of Ukr is exhausted.
There's a reason why I consider him a mindless vatnik. shrug
paulobrito
Well-known member
Just for the fun...
The old way - with a fuck ton of casualties.
The new way - with lots of arty and/or planes dropping 1k or 1.5k bombs on any building/block that has confirmed/suspected enemy presence (razing said block with everybody/everything inside).
Expensive and time-consuming? Fuck yes, but with a lot fewer casualties for the attacker.
Now, I'm not saying which one is used, just talking about possibilities/options.
Well there hasn't been any carpet bombing campaigns due to the presence of air defense everywhere and its always been known that Russia has had a superiority in quantity of artillery for grid square removals, but even Prigozhin stated that in Bakhmut that Wagner had 50,000 Convicts there, and 20,000 of them died. Back in February the United States estimated Wagner had suffered 30,000 casualties including 10,000 dead by December and all of the other estimations for Wagner alone in that Battle ranged around that.
But Animal Noodles is alleging here that Ukraine had clearly over fifty thousand troops (20-25 Brigades worth of combat troops) in Bakhmut proper, and was losing more casualties than the undoubtedly highly trained Wagner Prisoners storming those urban positions.
paulobrito
Well-known member
Only years (more probably decades) after the conflict end, the (more or less) truth is going to be known.
Like in all other wars.
With a strong bias to the winner of course, like all other wars. They are known to write the accepted history, after all.
Like in all other wars.
With a strong bias to the winner of course, like all other wars. They are known to write the accepted history, after all.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Just like WMDs in Iraq ?
Scintillating conversation.
There is a big diffrence.
Tech has changed a lot since then
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Do you imagine people are going to watch this, and if so why?
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
The honest biggest shocker for me is that Oliver Stone is still alive...I'd almost forgotten about him.
I saw the first 15-20 minutes of it. TLDW, he intercuts footage of Nazi Germans doing Nazi German things with the Euromaiden protests and offered some very sympathetic interviews with Vladimir Putin and the former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych over that EU Trade Deal which sparked the Euromaiden protests in the first place. I'm assuming the remaining three hours would've continued on that CIA backed Neo-Nazi Coup angle or something.
He got the title Ukraine on Fire from the earlier documentary Winter on Fire which chronicled the events of the Euromaiden Protests around a year after the event took place.
paulobrito
Well-known member
Funny, as always, both sides said that.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Yeah, but one side has a lot more info then that of what we had in the past and what everyone else has
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
How it was fought?
You think the russians were just zerg rushing the machine guns with commissars at their back?
no...
The Russians were systematically levelling the city block by block with artillery and then clearing the ruins. Guess what? When your enemy has alot more heavy bang bangs than you, sitting in a building just makes you a target.
IndyFront
Well-known member
It's honestly hard to tell which side is winning at this point, and I predict it'll be awhile until anyone can accurately assess who will come out on top. It's been pretty much a stalemate for months on end now, and that's only because the entire weight of the west is bearing down on Russia and supplying Ukraine to the gills. If this were a true 1-v-1 fight Ukraine would've lost HARD by now.